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IRC Log for 2012-01-26

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  51. [06:58:08] <reisei> robclark: that hack, that you suggested yesterday works, but I got wrong resolution... My monitor says that it's only 800x600, but in xorg.conf I set 1280x800, as in bootarg.
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  69. [08:14:59] <LetoThe2nd> m??in
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  75. [08:49:36] <rsv> If we keep getting the messages: "Stopping Digital channel..." and "Stopping Digital channel... what does it mean
  76. [09:02:14] <_av500_> it means its stopping the digital channel
  77. [09:02:26] <Humpelstilzchen> you sure?
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  81. [09:16:16] <rsv> hehe
  82. [09:16:57] <rsv> it happens when i boot the g3 kernel
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  89. [09:20:25] * Topic is 'OMAP discussion & development on PandaBoard Platform | Site: http://www.PandaBoard.org | Paste @ http://pastebin.pandaboard.org/ |Wiki: http://www.omappedia.com/wiki/PandaBoard | IRC logs: http://www.pandaboard.org/pbirclogs/ | IRC Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ircsurvivalguide'
  90. [09:20:25] * Set by orbarron!~orb@nat/ti/x-ztoqabxrceydslsj on Mon Jun 06 15:00:29 UTC 2011
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  99. [09:58:19] <_av500_> g3?
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  103. [10:27:48] <rsv> av500: l27.g.3 release from ti
  104. [10:29:47] <_av500_> g as in gingerbread
  105. [10:32:35] <rsv> _av500_: yes
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  107. [10:39:59] <_av500_> but that is like old and obsolete? no? :)
  108. [10:42:54] <rsv> yes, i tried g5 but it wont solve the hdmi issue
  109. [10:46:43] <_av500_> I dount anybody in TI is still working on g releases
  110. [10:46:46] <_av500_> doubt
  111. [10:47:33] <rsv> does anyother release provide ducati binaries
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  119. [11:11:12] <_av500_> rsv: ics, no?
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  130. [11:37:51] <rsv> _av500_: sorry, i have a lousy netconnection
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  139. [11:59:59] <joe_> Hey guys
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  141. [12:00:22] <joe_> Just trying to get a syslink hello world running on pandaboard with ubuntu
  142. [12:01:07] <joe_> have a test file with Ipc_Config config; which compiles fine but when I do
  143. [12:01:21] <joe_> Ipc_getConfig (&config); I get the following error
  144. [12:01:34] <joe_> undefined reference to `Ipc_getConfig'
  145. [12:01:36] <joe_> from the linker
  146. [12:02:11] <joe_> both Ipc_Config and Ipc_getConfig seem to be defined in IpcUsr.h
  147. [12:02:34] <joe_> so it looks like I might be missing a library?
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  162. [12:30:13] <supernovagm> hi, can you give me the link to install ubuntu on pandaboard ? i don't remember
  163. [12:31:53] <LetoThe2nd> supernovagm: open "google.com" in your browser, enter "ubuntu arm omap", click "i feel lucky"
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  165. [12:32:12] <supernovagm> xD yes, i found it
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  186. [13:10:21] <dioxin> I've managed to get Ubuntu Server up on PandaboardES, does anyone know how to send the command prompt to the DVI out?
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  189. [13:12:41] <ogra_> dioxin, try HDMI instead
  190. [13:12:53] <dioxin> nothing is outputting to either
  191. [13:13:26] <ogra_> it should have a login prompt by default (at least after the installation via serial is fully completed)
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  193. [13:14:51] <dioxin> scrub that... HDMI works, I just didnt let it pop out of power save mode when I switched it across :(
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  197. [13:15:29] <ogra_> ah
  198. [13:15:32] <dioxin> where is the output controlled tho? say if I wanted to change the resolution or something?
  199. [13:16:11] <ogra_> not sure you can easily control it for console ... probably by using fbset, not sure
  200. [13:16:34] <ogra_> usually the driver reads the EDID of the monitor and picks the highest available res.
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  202. [13:17:02] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: those funny vga kernel command line params don't mess/apply/help/confuse here?
  203. [13:17:23] <ogra_> not sure they still work ... ask robclark or rsalveti ;)
  204. [13:17:37] <LetoThe2nd> just judging from x86
  205. [13:17:50] <ogra_> they used to work in very earlxy iterations of the driver
  206. [13:18:21] <ogra_> not the vga= ones but the hdmimode= stuff thats somewheer on the omappedia wiki
  207. [13:18:39] <LetoThe2nd> ah kay
  208. [13:18:44] <ogra_> i think tehy stopped working at some point though
  209. [13:19:12] <dioxin> also is it straight forward to create a SD image so that I can create restore points? (from another system)
  210. [13:20:07] * tomeff (~Adium@ip-78-45-50-45.net.upcbroadband.cz) has joined #pandaboard
  211. [13:20:27] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: you mean more straight forward than 4 simple steps as given in the wiki?
  212. [13:20:43] <dioxin> bleh missed that page :(
  213. [13:21:10] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: open "google.com" in your browser, enter "ubuntu arm omap", click "i feel lucky"
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  215. [13:21:35] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: and of course you can always dd the card back to your harddisk to create "snapshots" :)
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  217. [13:22:46] <dioxin> it was this second part you mentioned I was curious about....
  218. [13:23:44] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: think about dd if=/dev/sdYourSDCardHere of=/home/you/yoursupercoolimage.fancyextension bs=1M or such.
  219. [13:24:12] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: googling "dd sd card" will certainly yield some usable information.
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  221. [13:26:24] <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: all it yields here are g+ posts from you
  222. [13:26:59] * LetoThe2nd ducks and covers
  223. [13:27:29] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: i always thought that would just happen for "metal code linux" or such.
  224. [13:27:51] <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: i guess its SPYW running wild
  225. [13:28:24] <dioxin> :) yeah sorry guys, I'm diving in a little deep with the Pandaboard learning x86 and ARM ubuntu from scratch for the most part :(
  226. [13:28:55] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: "running wild" as the metal band? ;)
  227. [13:28:59] <dioxin> basic commandline stuff is all I got to work with :)
  228. [13:29:11] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: time to learn then.
  229. [13:29:32] <dioxin> yup yup
  230. [13:30:03] <dioxin> and I probably havent chosen the easiest of tasks.... seeing if its possible to get a Backtrack environment running on the Pandaboard :D
  231. [13:30:13] <LetoThe2nd> *facepalm*
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  233. [13:31:20] <dioxin> I'm pretty sure the Pandaboard is too underpowered to be of much use tho
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  235. [13:32:36] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: i'm, on the other hand, pretty sure that unless the funny backtrack project doesn't provide arm port repos, your task will fail dues to your non-understanding of instruction set differences. ;)
  236. [13:32:46] <LetoThe2nd> s/doesn't/does/
  237. [13:33:02] <dioxin> I fully understand the differences in the instruction sets :)
  238. [13:33:24] <dioxin> luckily Backtrack has Arm ports for the ARMv7 which the Pandaboard runs off
  239. [13:33:32] <LetoThe2nd> ah yes.
  240. [13:33:54] <dioxin> I also have the repos locked loaded and the public keys working
  241. [13:34:08] <LetoThe2nd> is totally enlightened that finally we have the most beloved script kiddie distribution also on the panda. time to celebrate indeed.
  242. [13:34:22] <dioxin> its not quite on the Panda yet :D
  243. [13:34:54] <dioxin> I tried to use the img they provided but it failed miserably due to lack of the OMAP4 parts
  244. [13:35:19] <dioxin> you probably want to worry when someone ports it to the RaspberryPi :D
  245. [13:35:43] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: totally not because that ones armv5 and ubuntu doesn't support it.
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  247. [13:37:09] <dioxin> its probably not beyond the realms of possibility to compile from source... but doing it all on a single Rpi might make one suicidal!
  248. [13:37:38] * MohammadAG (~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  249. [13:37:53] <_av500_> compile what?
  250. [13:38:14] <dioxin> (although I think someone at Canonical built a PandaFarm for compiling, not much of a stretch for R-Pi too)
  251. [13:38:31] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: its certainly not impossible, but anyone capable he probably enough knowledge to be not interested into backtrack anymore, and even if he/she is then he/she is at least worth using it afterwards.
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  253. [13:41:19] <ogra_> ubuntu for armv5 wont happen, so r-pi wont happen
  254. [13:41:51] <ogra_> unless someone really does it at home ... but for r-pi users the general recommendation is: "use debian"
  255. [13:41:55] <dioxin> r-pi isnt dependent on Ubuntu
  256. [13:41:56] <koen> r-pi is armv6
  257. [13:42:12] <ogra_> well, ubuntu for armv6 wont happen either :)
  258. [13:42:20] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: you can'T stop me! its open source! i will fork you! i will rule the world then!
  259. [13:42:37] <ogra_> LetoThe2nd, well, as i said, feel free to do it at home :)
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  261. [13:43:03] * LetoThe2nd proudly annouces the first alpha release of superduperforkbuntu42 by tommorws evening.
  262. [13:43:05] <ogra_> after all i think someone who is insane enough to recompile the whole archive will eventually just give up and switch to debian anywa
  263. [13:43:06] <ogra_> y
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  265. [13:43:39] <dioxin> crosscompilers or a R-Pi farm would certainly ease the task
  266. [13:44:05] <ogra_> there are crosscompilers in ubuntu
  267. [13:44:21] <dioxin> for armv6?
  268. [13:44:26] <ogra_> doesnt help you much beyond compiling something unpackaged from source though
  269. [13:44:33] <ogra_> no, for v7 indeed
  270. [13:45:25] <ogra_> ubuntu doesnt support any pre-v7 stuff anywhere anymore
  271. [13:45:32] <ogra_> and wont go back
  272. [13:45:55] <ogra_> next stop is a15 ... and then armv8
  273. [13:46:03] <dioxin> dependent on the popularity of R-Pi they might change their opinion
  274. [13:46:09] <ogra_> we wont :)
  275. [13:46:42] <dioxin> we?
  276. [13:46:46] <ogra_> yes
  277. [13:46:48] <LetoThe2nd> gnah! ogra_reveals himself!
  278. [13:46:52] <ogra_> lol
  279. [13:47:31] <LetoThe2nd> probably he aims for world dominance with an armv6-enabled ograbuntu himself anyway!!!
  280. [13:47:49] <ogra_> damned you got me !
  281. [13:48:40] <mru> ubuntu on rpi would be no fun at all
  282. [13:48:40] <LetoThe2nd> i won't tell anyone if i can become minister of truth and metal :)
  283. [13:48:48] <rsalveti> well, we're working to get at least a few package sets to be crosscompilable with multiarch
  284. [13:48:54] <ogra_> mru, ubuntu-tv FTW !
  285. [13:48:57] <rsalveti> don't see porting it to armv5/6 as a problem
  286. [13:49:06] <mru> and any arm compiler can compile for armv6 as well as v7
  287. [13:49:10] <mru> it's just a matter of flags
  288. [13:49:12] <ogra_> rsalveti, apart from resources and infrastructure
  289. [13:49:19] <rsalveti> only issue is that the archive will still be incompatible
  290. [13:49:20] <_av500_> ubuntu on armv6 att 700mhz will be fun
  291. [13:49:24] <_av500_> -t
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  293. [13:49:38] <mru> fun in a shadenfreude kind of way
  294. [13:49:41] <ogra_> as funny as on the beagle C series
  295. [13:49:49] <_av500_> yes
  296. [13:50:02] <_av500_> and ubunTV exsists, its called XBMC
  297. [13:50:15] * BlInK311 (~BlInK311@ool-435317d6.dyn.optonline.net) Quit (Client Quit)
  298. [13:50:16] <ogra_> nah, ubuntu-tv is the frontend for XBMC :)
  299. [13:50:20] <dioxin> XBMC already runs on R-Pi
  300. [13:50:39] <_av500_> ogra_: can totem by added to the layer cake?
  301. [13:50:42] <_av500_> be
  302. [13:50:43] * nighty^ (~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  303. [13:50:47] <ogra_> probably
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  305. [13:50:58] <ogra_> ask rsalveti, he currently plays with -tv
  306. [13:51:04] <mru> if you manage to offload 98% or more of your processing to the gpu and video hardware, I suppose it's fine
  307. [13:51:23] <_av500_> dioxin: yes, I am constanlty amazed by the "SW runs on a CPU" posts all over the blogosphere...
  308. [13:51:42] <mru> the only purpose of the arm core in such a device is to tell the parts with any real power what to do
  309. [13:51:52] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: yeah, those are really worth the fuzz.
  310. [13:51:54] <dioxin> lol, pretty sure most stuff is pushed to GPU/DSP where possible
  311. [13:52:07] <_av500_> "Windows media player ported to Intel ATOM"
  312. [13:52:18] <_av500_> "Word on a quadcore"
  313. [13:52:36] <LetoThe2nd> busybox running on a cortex-a15!
  314. [13:52:38] <_av500_> such fascinating times
  315. [13:52:46] <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: post it to reddit
  316. [13:52:57] <_av500_> so that HN can pick it up
  317. [13:52:58] <BobLeRenard> Hi, anybody knows why the FAQ ( http://omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_FAQ#Where_can_I_buy_OMAP_4_platform_silicon.2Fdevices.3F ) says that's OMAP4 is not intended for "non-mobile" equipment ?
  318. [13:53:12] <_av500_> BobLeRenard: because it wants to be free
  319. [13:53:21] <_av500_> not shackled to a power cord
  320. [13:53:35] <_av500_> so it has to be movin' movin'
  321. [13:53:43] <LetoThe2nd> rockin' rollin'
  322. [13:53:47] <LetoThe2nd> headbangin'
  323. [13:54:21] <dioxin> BobleRenard, its probably due to the way the chip is designed, it aint exactly a processing powerhouse
  324. [13:55:22] <mru> no, it's all about how it is _sold_
  325. [13:55:37] <dioxin> would anyone here sanely use the Pandaboard as a full desktop environment ?
  326. [13:55:43] <LetoThe2nd> BobLeRenard: now think a bit about under what faq point this is written, and you might come to the conlusion that "not for non-mobile" should be read as "not for companies we do not want to sell to, and that will be anything not high-volume and mobile in most cases."
  327. [13:55:48] <mru> if you buy a million chips, they do not care what you do with them
  328. [13:56:13] <ogra_> dioxin, i use something similar for my day to day work (a tegra2 laptop)
  329. [13:56:29] <mru> dioxin: I would not
  330. [13:56:30] <ogra_> it is *possible* but requires a certain amount of masochism
  331. [13:56:57] <dioxin> hence the questioning of sanity ;)
  332. [13:57:00] <mru> sure, it's faster than the laptop I had 5 years ago
  333. [13:57:02] <ogra_> and that your day to day work doesnt require more than 20 browser tabs :)
  334. [13:57:56] <mru> so if you're content to run 5y old software, it'll probably be ok
  335. [13:57:57] <dioxin> btw guys cheers for the help with the SD Card imaging of snapshots ;) it works
  336. [13:58:07] <_av500_> thank dd
  337. [13:58:16] <mru> but software bloat tracks hw power
  338. [13:58:16] <_av500_> and 'em neckbeards
  339. [13:58:19] * ogra_ runs recent ubuntu here
  340. [13:58:33] <ogra_> and it works just fine despite a bit slow
  341. [13:59:04] <_av500_> ogra_: so its not fine :)
  342. [13:59:23] <ogra_> though i must admit i "upgraded" from a first gen classmate PC (800 MHz celeron, 256M) to this ac100 netbook :)
  343. [13:59:39] <dioxin> Ask not what your software can do you for you, but what you can do for your software!
  344. [13:59:53] <_av500_> ogra_: maybe you should get a 2nd job
  345. [13:59:59] <ogra_> (that celeron had 0k L2 cache, switching to the tegra felt like a rocket)
  346. [14:00:10] <ogra_> _av500_, as what ?
  347. [14:00:24] <_av500_> ogra_: i know, will be hard
  348. [14:00:49] <_av500_> but maybe as a laptop salesman and you get one on a employee discount
  349. [14:01:06] <ogra_> lol, i *have* some powerful laptops ...
  350. [14:01:08] * topfs2 (~topfs2@xbmc/staff/topfs2) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  351. [14:01:24] <_av500_> right, there is that masochist bit
  352. [14:01:24] <ogra_> they simply serve as servers for ssh sessions nowadays though
  353. [14:01:33] <ogra_> right :)
  354. [14:01:52] <ogra_> <- masochist dogfooder :)
  355. [14:02:02] <_av500_> wohl bekomm's
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  357. [14:02:08] <ogra_> *burp*
  358. [14:02:28] <BobLeRenard> I can't buy an OMAP4 and do what I want with it ?
  359. [14:02:47] <ogra_> "not intended"
  360. [14:02:58] <ogra_> ... doesnt mean you cant
  361. [14:03:05] <ogra_> but you shouldnt :)
  362. [14:03:21] <_av500_> you should not bet your future on it
  363. [14:03:26] <ogra_> yeah
  364. [14:03:31] <_av500_> but you can buy as many as you can carry
  365. [14:03:51] <LetoThe2nd> BobLeRenard: of course you can buy anything omap4-based, desolder it and therefore get one. but probably nobody will sell you the silicon, if you have to ask this question.
  366. [14:03:57] <ogra_> and i.e. build ai touchbooks from it that fall on their face all the time :)
  367. [14:04:52] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: i'd suggest a double shot of vodka for the burping.
  368. [14:05:04] <ogra_> good idea !
  369. [14:05:09] * ogra_ goes and gets one
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  371. [14:06:20] <dioxin> aint much use getting the OMAP4 silicon without the backup IP of how to get it running
  372. [14:16:38] <dioxin> its kinda of like buying an INTEL cpu without any motherboards on sale
  373. [14:16:58] <dioxin> you get a funky paperweight
  374. [14:17:31] <_av500_> omap4 is not much of a paper*weight*
  375. [14:18:04] <mru> in the minimum quantity it sure is
  376. [14:18:19] <LetoThe2nd> mru: +1
  377. [14:18:47] <dioxin> I wonder what the minimum quantity is....
  378. [14:19:10] <mru> not less than 100k, possibly more
  379. [14:19:18] <dioxin> pretty sure its much higher than the quantity of Pandaboards....
  380. [14:19:22] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: rumour is ranging around 500k to 1000k per anno usually.
  381. [14:20:05] <LetoThe2nd> might be less if your product is super cool and selected by ti sales, but in general thats the range AFAIK.
  382. [14:21:33] <mru> so if I build a liquid helium cooled tablet, do I get to buy them?
  383. [14:22:15] <LetoThe2nd> mru: if rich templeton is into those gadgets, then probably yes ;)
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  386. [14:25:46] <earl-ger> Hi guys. I'm new to Pandaboard. Can anyone answer some of my questions?
  387. [14:25:49] * cmagina (~quassel@173-166-109-13-newengland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #pandaboard
  388. [14:26:16] <mru> probably, but you'll likely question our answers
  389. [14:26:16] <stemp> trying to install a kinect on my pandaboard (running ubuntu)
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  392. [14:26:47] <earl-ger> I don't think theyre kinda noobish questions
  393. [14:27:10] <dioxin> quicker to just ask the questions than debate the thought of them :)
  394. [14:27:11] <earl-ger> I developed before on IDEA6410 from boardcon with Android 1.6
  395. [14:27:38] <earl-ger> Do the Pandaboard images/binaries have support for 3G Modems?
  396. [14:28:08] <earl-ger> Especially on Android OS
  397. [14:29:09] <earl-ger> And do I have to compile them, or are there ready-to-flash images (zimage, sd-card image etc)
  398. [14:30:00] <LetoThe2nd> earl-ger: not sure about the 3g thing, but linro provides kind-of ready images. check linaro.org/download
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  401. [14:31:45] <earl-ger> great - keeping that in mind
  402. [14:31:52] <earl-ger> thx so far
  403. [14:31:54] <earl-ger> ;-)
  404. [14:33:57] <earl-ger> and the touchscreen panel? are there any kits with compatible hardware or is there a list?
  405. [14:34:34] <LetoThe2nd> nothing official.
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  407. [14:35:38] * ogra_ knows 3G works fine on general ubuntu on the panda (tested with a few different huawei modems) so there shouldnt be a reason it wouldnt wotk on android
  408. [14:35:42] <ogra_> *work
  409. [14:37:26] <earl-ger> ok but then i will have to compile my own kernel with 3g drivers and the android distribution?
  410. [14:37:36] <ogra_> no idea, i dont touch android
  411. [14:37:59] <ogra_> might or might not have the drivers, ask the linaro guys in #linaro i would suggest
  412. [14:38:09] <earl-ger> ok great thx
  413. [14:38:15] <earl-ger> hows the ubuntu performance on pandaboard?
  414. [14:38:35] <ogra_> as you would expect a fully flown desktop OS on a mobile platform
  415. [14:38:51] <ogra_> its okayish ... kind of
  416. [14:39:11] <earl-ger> cool...i only need a fully integrated touchscreen input for a project, because of this i developed an android app
  417. [14:39:22] <dioxin> would using a lighterweight frontend help much? or is the ARM Ubuntu lightweight enough?
  418. [14:39:37] <ogra_> unity-2d is pretty lightweight already
  419. [14:39:46] <dioxin> (gnome vs xfce or soemthing)
  420. [14:39:54] <ogra_> and its not causing the actual slowness you will see
  421. [14:40:01] <ogra_> SD cards are
  422. [14:40:43] <dioxin> i presume that using a usb HDD wouldnt help performance=
  423. [14:40:51] <dioxin> ?*
  424. [14:40:52] <ogra_> it does
  425. [14:41:23] <ogra_> in fact (since ubuntu focuses more on arm server atm) we only use USB HDDs for server testing atm
  426. [14:41:25] <earl-ger> usb 2.0 ssd
  427. [14:41:38] <ogra_> what would an SSD gain you
  428. [14:41:42] <earl-ger> would be considerable for mobile applications
  429. [14:41:45] <ogra_> apart from being expensive
  430. [14:41:50] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: its way ,pre cool!
  431. [14:41:57] <LetoThe2nd> more.
  432. [14:41:58] <ogra_> heh
  433. [14:42:22] <noname^^> an ssd will gain you loads obv
  434. [14:42:37] <dioxin> isnt it still limited by usb 2.0 ?
  435. [14:42:45] <ogra_> noname^^, in what way ?
  436. [14:42:50] <ogra_> dioxin, exactly :)
  437. [14:42:52] <noname^^> perceived performance
  438. [14:42:59] <LetoThe2nd> rice factor.
  439. [14:43:00] <earl-ger> yes but compare it to a small 2,5' hdd
  440. [14:43:12] <noname^^> it's still super low latency compared to an ssd
  441. [14:43:16] <ogra_> noname^^, so how do you squeeze more than 24MB/s out of USB 2.0 with an SSD ?
  442. [14:43:36] <earl-ger> ok convinced...just an idea :D
  443. [14:43:45] <noname^^> I'm sure it can do at least 50MB/s
  444. [14:43:49] <noname^^> if you just have a mouse on there
  445. [14:43:59] <noname^^> but I said latency, not bandwidth
  446. [14:44:02] <LetoThe2nd> noname^^: thats all true once the link from disk to cpu/ram is way faster than your disk latency. that does not necessarily hold true for the omaps usb 2.0 controller...
  447. [14:44:04] <ogra_> you want to have a mouse with builtin SSD ?
  448. [14:44:08] <noname^^> ssd's are just... ugh
  449. [14:44:20] <noname^^> ogra_, the mouse is also on the USB bus
  450. [14:44:32] <earl-ger> yes...and the mouse uses loads of bandwith
  451. [14:44:33] <noname^^> LetoThe2nd, true
  452. [14:44:37] <noname^^> I haven't tried it
  453. [14:44:39] <earl-ger> ;-)
  454. [14:44:40] <noname^^> has anyone?
  455. [14:44:51] <noname^^> earl-ger, it saturates the bus
  456. [14:45:04] <earl-ger> yea
  457. [14:45:15] <noname^^> but as long as you're not using like a network card or something on there I'm sure it'll be fine
  458. [14:45:30] <dioxin> wouldnt you get better performance out of a better class of SD ? (at similar price points)
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  460. [14:45:44] <noname^^> my money's on no
  461. [14:45:45] <ogra_> no, SD classes are marketing myths
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  463. [14:46:15] * ogra_ hass seen cvlass4 cards performing way better than class 10 ... class is nonsense
  464. [14:46:16] <noname^^> yeah, plus, the sd standard isn't really made for running operating systems from
  465. [14:46:26] <noname^^> it's made for storing media from a camera
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  467. [14:47:28] <noname^^> I'll report back here if I ever buy an SSD for my pandaboard ;)
  468. [14:48:02] <dioxin> if only we could hook up an SSD to the SD slot....
  469. [14:48:03] <ogra_> after you found a way to solder a different non-USB NIC onto the board indeed :P
  470. [14:48:43] <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: somebody built a osue with integrated mass storage
  471. [14:48:46] <_av500_> a mouse
  472. [14:48:54] * _av500_ glares at his m key
  473. [14:49:13] <dioxin> av500 imagine if you had dropped the second m too...
  474. [14:50:26] <dioxin> so does anyone use their Pandaboard for a non-mobile purpose?
  475. [14:50:41] * ogra_ runs ubuntu on them
  476. [14:50:57] <noname^^> ogra_, I'll probably try the ssd/usb BEFORE I solder another nic on there actually :P
  477. [14:51:07] <LetoThe2nd> for certain values of "non-mobile-purpose", i'd guess that yes.
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  480. [14:52:11] * _av500_ wonders what a "mobile purpose" is
  481. [14:52:25] <ogra_> geez GrueMaster !
  482. [14:52:43] <ogra_> how did you get *that* !
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  484. [14:52:59] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: you know these things one often can see hanging above the beds of very young children?
  485. [14:53:07] <GrueMaster> ?
  486. [14:53:10] <GrueMaster> get what?
  487. [14:53:13] * ogra_ sees #pandaboard being taken over by ubuntu QA
  488. [14:53:20] <ogra_> GrueMaster, OP in here
  489. [14:54:02] <GrueMaster> Special that way I guess.
  490. [14:54:19] <ogra_> heh, now make something out of all that power :)
  491. [14:55:46] <GrueMaster> I think there is something going on with my freenode server. I keep splitting off.
  492. [14:56:25] * GrueMaster sets mode -o GrueMaster
  493. [14:57:22] * GrueMaster initializes self-demotion.
  494. [14:57:23] <dioxin> oh how the mighty have fallen....
  495. [14:58:11] <LetoThe2nd> self-demolition?
  496. [14:59:45] <GrueMaster> I felt this was better than someone else kicking me off my high horse.
  497. [15:01:39] <mru> why not teach the high horse to kick?
  498. [15:02:15] <mru> have you ever been kicked by a horse?
  499. [15:02:25] * dioxin pushes GrueMaster off his low pony
  500. [15:03:15] * GrueMaster has a sudden sense of falling.
  501. [15:03:49] * dioxin thinks that gravity is having a bit of a slow day today
  502. [15:04:01] <mru> when falling off a horse, isn't there usually a thud shortly afterwards?
  503. [15:04:23] * mru doesn't have much experience falling off horses, so isn't quite sure
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  507. [15:04:40] <dioxin> depending on how big you are, a fall from a low pony might not be very far
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  527. [16:00:29] <troffmo5_> i have downloaded SDK RN 4 05 03 from TI but there is no gfx_dbg_es7.x!That means no OMAP4 driver anymore?
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  534. [16:17:43] <Crnkoj> hey guys did anyone get x-server to run on his pandaboard on gentoo, with either omapfb or pvr-omap4 drivers? i tried the omapfb way but get a "no screens found" error ?
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  536. [16:20:21] <Crnkoj> or for that matter did anyone get x-server to run on anything but ubuntu?
  537. [16:20:51] <dioxin> I currently have the no screens found, and I'm working to find out what the ubuntu settings are to get it running
  538. [16:20:59] <dioxin> xorg -configure gave me nothing
  539. [16:21:21] <troffmo5_> with arch i had no success
  540. [16:21:26] <Crnkoj> dioxin, i see i checked into ubuntu aswell, there is such a mess
  541. [16:21:57] <Crnkoj> i even have a very hard time compiling the kernel on the pandaboard from the gentoo omap4 kernel sources
  542. [16:22:17] <Crnkoj> seeing issues i have managed to circumvent with the ubuntu kernel sources and compiling on my pc
  543. [16:22:28] <troffmo5_> Crnkoj, where did u get pvr-omap4 drivers ?
  544. [16:22:59] <Crnkoj> troffmo5_, i did not test pvr-omap4 drivers yet
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  546. [16:23:34] <Crnkoj> troffmo5_, they are in the pandaboard overlay for linux (i think armin76 is maintaining it), but i dont think they are hardfloat yet, while my system is hardfloat, thats why i did not try them
  547. [16:23:54] <Crnkoj> thats why i try getting omapfb to use
  548. [16:24:34] <dioxin> I'm currently working from an ubuntu server environment trying to get a gnome session running
  549. [16:25:34] <troffmo5_> i've read that ubuntu is moving to hardfp too
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  551. [16:26:28] <troffmo5_> perhaps there is some hope
  552. [16:26:37] <Crnkoj> troffmo5_, yes, a few days ago one of the guys here said they have hardfloat pvr-omap4 drivers and are testing them, just need to release them (for ubuntu at least)
  553. [16:27:03] <prpplague> ron_frown: you get your package?
  554. [16:27:42] <troffmo5_> why are they not officially distributed by TI?
  555. [16:28:23] <Crnkoj> troffmo5_, i dont know you might have to ask TI about that :) but i guess they will be soon
  556. [16:28:24] <ogra_> they are done by TI in the ubuntu omap4 PPA
  557. [16:28:25] <troffmo5_> has Ubuntu a particular partnership with canonical?
  558. [16:28:37] <Crnkoj> you mean TI with canonical? :)
  559. [16:28:46] <ogra_> yes, ubuntu has a particular partnership with canonical :)
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  561. [16:28:53] * ogra_ grins
  562. [16:28:54] <troffmo5_> Crnkoj, that is a good news :-)
  563. [16:29:20] <Crnkoj> troffmo5_, what part now? :)
  564. [16:29:31] <troffmo5_> Crnkoj, ops....yes :-)
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  566. [16:31:17] <troffmo5_> both LOL
  567. [16:31:18] <Crnkoj> dioxin, which xorg server version are you using? i have 1.11.3 , but if i want to emerge pvr-omap4 drivers than it drops to 1.10.6 (ro something like that)
  568. [16:31:18] <ron_frown> prpplague: nah, but then ups/fedex usually comes later
  569. [16:31:18] <ron_frown> do you ahve a trackign no
  570. [16:31:18] <prpplague> ron_frown: left it in the car :(
  571. [16:31:18] <ron_frown> or if its already here I havent been made aware of it
  572. [16:31:21] <prpplague> ron_frown: will have to go back out to get it
  573. [16:31:31] <prpplague> ron_frown: i'll get the tracking in a few
  574. [16:31:34] <ron_frown> k
  575. [16:31:58] <dioxin> 1.10.4 Xorg -version
  576. [16:32:21] <Crnkoj> dioxin, i see probably not an xorg-server issue than
  577. [16:32:24] <ron_frown> I'd appreciate it.... even though we havent put out any money yet, my boss is getting on me about figuring something out for displays. I've already stressed that it appears you guys are working hard for our business
  578. [16:32:38] <ron_frown> you overnighted it, does that mean probably morning delivery
  579. [16:32:39] <ron_frown> or.
  580. [16:32:55] <prpplague> ron_frown: should be by 10am iirc
  581. [16:33:01] <ron_frown> k
  582. [16:34:36] <Humpelstilzchen> dioxin: You might be better off creating a manual xorg.conf
  583. [16:34:59] <ron_frown> I can not wait until xfree / xorg is a thing of the past
  584. [16:35:04] <ron_frown> it'll be huge for linux as a workstation
  585. [16:35:06] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, i tried that too, still an error, do you maybe have a sample xorg.conf that one could use as a template ?
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  587. [16:35:18] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: What video driver do you want to use?
  588. [16:35:31] <Crnkoj> omapfb
  589. [16:35:46] <ogra_> that doesnt need an xorg.conf
  590. [16:36:04] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, i have a hardfloat gentoo system, evreything runs great, but well x-server gives me the no screen found error, adn i think there is no hardfloat pvr-omap4 for gentoo yet
  591. [16:36:05] <ogra_> in fact xorg should just use it if its there
  592. [16:36:29] <Crnkoj> let me pastebin the log
  593. [16:36:37] <ogra_> do you want to use omapfb or pvr ?
  594. [16:36:43] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: And what kernel is that? I had problems with one linaro kernel to start xorg
  595. [16:37:33] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, i tried with the 3.2.1 kernel from TI site and with a 3.0.0 kernel from gentoo-sources, both produced the same erro, ive configured omap3+ gpu support in the TI one and powervr in the gentoo one
  596. [16:37:38] <ogra_> (omapfb is just xfbdev on steroids and will be autodetected by xorg on start, at least thats what happens in ubuntu if you dont have pvr installed)
  597. [16:37:42] <Crnkoj> sadly there is no additional info as to how to get it to work on gentoo
  598. [16:38:01] <Humpelstilzchen> ogra_: The xorg in my debian wanted fbdev first
  599. [16:38:19] <Crnkoj> ogra_, yes i know that, but it does not get autodetected, sadly, thats why im asking, as far as pvr goes as said i dont think there is a hardfloat version for gentoo yet, so i cannot use that
  600. [16:38:25] <ogra_> Humpelstilzchen, oh, well, if you have the omapfb debian package installed that should be preferred
  601. [16:38:30] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, yes its crying there is no fbdev
  602. [16:39:01] <ogra_> do you get X without any pvr stuff installed ?
  603. [16:39:03] <Crnkoj> i even have VIDEO_CARDS="omapfb" in my make.conf which tells the system to install omapfb drivers
  604. [16:39:07] <ogra_> xfbdev should always work
  605. [16:39:12] <Crnkoj> ogra_, i dont have any pvr stuff isntalled, jsut omapfb
  606. [16:39:17] <ogra_> and be autodetected
  607. [16:39:22] <Crnkoj> hmm let me try that
  608. [16:40:02] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: sorry no longer have the fbdev xorg.conf it seems. But iirc I needed a device section with driver omapfb and device fb0 or fb1
  609. [16:40:24] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, let me fetch you one i have found and oyu can check
  610. [16:41:11] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.embedded.pandaboard/2458 here the guy has a sample one, using fb0
  611. [16:41:34] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: that should do
  612. [16:41:46] <Humpelstilzchen> I remember the post, I got it from there :)
  613. [16:41:50] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, i have /sys/devices/platform/omapdrm.o/graphics/fb0
  614. [16:42:00] <Crnkoj> so i should use fb0 there
  615. [16:42:02] <Crnkoj> but no avail
  616. [16:43:44] <Crnkoj> im recompiling xorg-server with some different things now and will see what happens, than ill try with xf86-video-fbdev if that works
  617. [16:43:49] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: May be its broken in your kernel? I had problems with a linaro 3.xer kernel while it was working with linaro 2.6.38
  618. [16:44:59] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, yes i sadly cannot rule that out totally, i have to reconfigure the 3.0.0 gentoo kernel, i used to pull the config from the 3.2.1 kernel and do make oldconfig but it all went foobar, had to do menuconfig but still missing some things in the kernel =/
  619. [16:45:14] <Humpelstilzchen> (So I had a 3.0 kernel with working syslink but no X and 2.6er with working X but no syslink - thats were I moved to ubuntu...)
  620. [16:45:50] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: uhm does the 3.0 gentoo even has audio? (If it is mostly vanilla kernel.org then probably not)
  621. [16:46:05] <Crnkoj> but if i get fbdev to work and get xorg to work it will be much better because i can than work on the board itself and dont need to ssh to it (my monitor isnt being properly recognised so parts of the screen are missing ... if connected to the hdmi)
  622. [16:46:11] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, it does
  623. [16:46:19] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, which audio part are oyu interested in
  624. [16:46:41] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, it even has a powervr SGX driver that is absent in the ubuntu 3.2.1 kernel
  625. [16:47:11] <Humpelstilzchen> ok
  626. [16:47:20] <Crnkoj> which confuses me a lot
  627. [16:47:32] <Humpelstilzchen> So you better should use pvr then
  628. [16:47:39] <Crnkoj> because the description doesnt say if its the proprietary from powervr or if its the opensource one
  629. [16:47:54] <Crnkoj> but i dont think there are pvr ahrdfloat binaries out yet
  630. [16:48:02] <Crnkoj> ill do so
  631. [16:48:08] <Crnkoj> ill try with fbdev now
  632. [16:50:22] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: if you really want a good tip: Use ubuntu for now and wait for the driver mess get sorted a bit
  633. [16:50:52] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, ah i know, i have it on a second sdcard, im not impressed by it at all, and i kind of got the board to use it with gentoo specifically :)
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  635. [16:51:00] <Crnkoj> sort of destroys the purpose
  636. [16:51:03] <Crnkoj> =/
  637. [16:52:38] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, do you know why if i use the ubuntu .config with make oldconfig it messes all up hardcore, that i basically have to redo most of the stuff ?
  638. [16:53:10] <Crnkoj> use the .config with the gentoo 3.0 kernel
  639. [16:53:24] <Humpelstilzchen> no idea, maybe another patchset?
  640. [16:53:32] <Crnkoj> could be
  641. [16:53:47] <Crnkoj> k lets see what fbdev has to say
  642. [16:54:30] <Crnkoj> no go
  643. [16:54:31] <Crnkoj> =/
  644. [16:55:11] <Crnkoj> hmm
  645. [16:55:31] <Humpelstilzchen> its FB_OMAP2
  646. [16:55:44] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, hmm i got some progress though
  647. [16:55:50] <Crnkoj> let me pastebin something
  648. [16:55:55] <Crnkoj> 2 mins ahve to emerge wgetpaste first
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  650. [16:56:26] <Crnkoj> shouldnt take long even on an arm device :D
  651. [16:57:18] <Crnkoj> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/541147/
  652. [16:57:22] <Crnkoj> here take a look please
  653. [16:58:05] <Crnkoj> if you check lines 101-107
  654. [16:59:29] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: it says something with omapdrm - did you try without CONFIG_DRM_OMAP?
  655. [17:01:31] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, i have to admit i didnt, i did it like it seems logical/analogous to how i have to set up special fb drivers on my pcs, ill try to configure a gentoo kernel from scratch
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  660. [17:11:57] <ron_frown> prpplague: I'm gonna take off but if you do happen to make it back out to your car to get the tracking shoot it over via email
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  677. [18:15:18] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, i manually reconfigured the whole kernel, i might know where the problem with omapfb lies!
  678. [18:15:28] <Crnkoj> started compiling a kernel with that in again, but i know where to find it :D
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  690. [18:44:56] <nschle85> does anybody have linaro android installed on panda ? I have some questions about playing videos
  691. [18:45:44] <Humpelstilzchen> anybody anywhere probably has
  692. [18:46:36] <nschle85> you have ?
  693. [18:46:40] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, can you help me debug this error i get after doing make uImage after i configured my kernel from scratch (it seems i msised something but dont know what), http://pastebin.com/ZtykgZVS
  694. [18:46:41] <Humpelstilzchen> no
  695. [18:49:23] <Crnkoj> i get that error both if crosscompiling on my pc and on the board
  696. [18:49:31] <Crnkoj> with the same config obviously
  697. [18:50:24] <Humpelstilzchen> oh, broken option in kernel
  698. [18:50:45] <Crnkoj> yes i know, but which one
  699. [18:50:57] <Crnkoj> i have honestly no clue which one to search for
  700. [18:51:20] <Humpelstilzchen> populate_rootfs_wait obviously - check which c file provides this function
  701. [18:51:32] <Crnkoj> how do i check that
  702. [18:51:46] <Crnkoj> if i search in menuconfig i cant find that
  703. [18:52:23] <Humpelstilzchen> hmm my kernel does not have this one
  704. [18:53:38] <Humpelstilzchen> can you post your init/calibrate.c on pastebin
  705. [18:54:04] <Crnkoj> let me check
  706. [18:54:46] <Crnkoj> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/541208/
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  708. [19:01:45] <Humpelstilzchen> hmm
  709. [19:02:20] <Humpelstilzchen> try the linaro kernel ;)
  710. [19:02:35] <Crnkoj> ehm
  711. [19:02:49] <Crnkoj> the thing is these kernel sources with make oldconfig form the ubuntu sources compield nicely
  712. [19:02:58] <Crnkoj> but than i removed the settings and put this in
  713. [19:03:04] <Crnkoj> i mean configured manually
  714. [19:04:10] <Humpelstilzchen> lwhat does come up if you grep for populate_rootfs_wait in your kernel sources
  715. [19:12:40] <Crnkoj> uhm sec was doing something else now
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  717. [19:13:20] <Crnkoj> nothing much
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  721. [19:22:57] <gandhijee_> hey, do i need a nullmodem cable for the pandaboard?
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  723. [19:23:25] <LetoThe2nd> gandhijee_: nope, a straight one.
  724. [19:24:04] <gandhijee_> ok, so i can hook up my USB to serial directly too it
  725. [19:24:08] <gandhijee_> 115200, i assume?
  726. [19:24:16] <gandhijee_> *to
  727. [19:24:28] <LetoThe2nd> gandhijee_: 115200 8N!, precisely as the documentation says.
  728. [19:25:05] <gandhijee_> yes, i see what the doc say, the reason i am double checking is because i have no output.
  729. [19:25:47] <LetoThe2nd> properly prepared sd card inserted?
  730. [19:26:23] <gandhijee_> well i was just seeing if i get the bootloader.
  731. [19:26:34] <gandhijee_> does the bootloader reside on the SDcard?
  732. [19:26:55] <LetoThe2nd> arm has no bios....
  733. [19:27:08] <gandhijee_> did i say bios?
  734. [19:27:14] <gandhijee_> no i didn't i said bootloader
  735. [19:27:19] <gandhijee_> aka Uboot/redboot
  736. [19:27:29] <nhg> yes uboot on sdcard
  737. [19:27:38] <LetoThe2nd> so no sd card, no boot, no output
  738. [19:27:44] <gandhijee_> whatever you want. and in this case, the bootload is the bios, as it does some stage 1 init.
  739. [19:28:03] <gandhijee_> BIOS = stage 1 bootloader in arm land, grub = stage 2 bootloader.
  740. [19:28:10] <gandhijee_> ok
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  742. [19:31:50] <ds2> by that definition, OMAPs have a BIOS.
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  744. [19:38:21] <gandhijee_> if you can write the stage 1 bootloader to an onboard flash, you can says its the same.
  745. [19:38:23] <gandhijee_> IMO
  746. [19:38:46] <mru> stage 1 is hardwired in silicon on omap
  747. [19:39:06] <mru> and it's still a very different beast from a pc bios
  748. [19:39:12] <mru> as are all the other boot loader stages
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  750. [19:39:57] <mru> the pc bios does system initialisation and provides some services to the OS (although those are mostly unused nowadays)
  751. [19:40:01] <gandhijee_> umm do i need OMAP3 or 4 images for pandaboard
  752. [19:40:10] <mru> pandaboard is omap4
  753. [19:40:25] <gandhijee_> thanks
  754. [19:41:02] <gandhijee_> what does uboot provide on omap? i know on the LPC32 based devices you can have uboot be the stage 1
  755. [19:41:40] <mru> mlo + u-boot do basic initialisation and load the kernel
  756. [19:41:47] <mru> then they vanish from existence
  757. [19:42:13] <mru> so they do some of what a pc bios does
  758. [19:42:30] <mru> but unlike the pc bios, they don't stick around once they've their thing
  759. [19:44:12] <mru> +done
  760. [19:44:26] <gandhijee_> well thats legacy bios
  761. [19:44:55] <mru> is there any other kind?
  762. [19:44:57] <gandhijee_> new solutions don't stick around, unless they are kind of told to do so (ie some UEFI solution, Coreboot, BLDK)
  763. [19:45:01] <gandhijee_> umm yes
  764. [19:45:18] <gandhijee_> have you heard of coreboot formerly known as linuxbios?
  765. [19:45:23] <mru> sure
  766. [19:46:08] <gandhijee_> well there is an example of one that doesn't stick around, BLDK doesn't stick around either, just inits the hardware loads the kernel then thats it
  767. [19:46:09] <mru> that's more or less replacing the bios with some small init code and a linux kernel
  768. [19:46:19] <gandhijee_> ehh not so much any more
  769. [19:46:41] <gandhijee_> coreboot + seabios will let you load legacy OS's
  770. [19:46:42] <mru> so enlighten me
  771. [19:47:02] <gandhijee_> iirc some people have coreboot to the point it can load Win7 straight.
  772. [19:47:53] <gandhijee_> so it did start of as you describe, small init with a kernel crammed inside the rom.
  773. [19:48:10] <gandhijee_> now it acts like a stage1 init. which can load a payload,
  774. [19:48:34] <mru> and the payload could be a linux kernel, seabios, or something else
  775. [19:48:39] <gandhijee_> yes
  776. [19:49:03] <gandhijee_> coreboot just inits hardware, which is what stage1 does in ARM, correct?
  777. [19:49:24] <mru> define stage1
  778. [19:49:52] <gandhijee_> i usually call stage 1, bring up proc and init memory
  779. [19:50:01] <gandhijee_> as a min,
  780. [19:50:15] <gandhijee_> it can also init say the drive controllers and serial controllers as well
  781. [19:50:28] <mru> in a typical omap4 setup, the first thing to run is the onchip boot rom
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  783. [19:50:56] <ds2> the ROM does the same thing - system init and provide some services to the OS
  784. [19:50:59] <mru> this searches for the next stage in various locations, but does _not_ init external memory
  785. [19:51:36] <mru> usually what it loads is x-loader, u-boot spl, or something similar
  786. [19:51:38] <gandhijee_> on OMAP did doesn't init external memory, correct?
  787. [19:51:40] <ds2> depends on how you define system init - the same can be true of PC BIOS
  788. [19:51:45] <mru> this inits dram and loads the full u-boot
  789. [19:51:55] <mru> u-boot then sets up things like pin mux
  790. [19:51:56] <ds2> PC BIOS doesn't init truely external memory
  791. [19:52:04] <mru> and finally loads the kernel
  792. [19:52:23] <mru> ds2: ps bios inits the main dram in the system
  793. [19:52:46] <gandhijee_> ds2: PC BIOS always inits ram
  794. [19:52:47] <ds2> mru: yes, and I argue that it is analogous to the ROM init'ing "SRAM"...
  795. [19:52:53] <ds2> it is an SoC
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  797. [19:53:13] <ds2> the motherboard needs in someway to map to the SoC
  798. [19:53:15] <mru> I disagree
  799. [19:53:22] <ds2> gandhijee_: not always
  800. [19:53:28] <gandhijee_> example?
  801. [19:53:31] <ds2> take the EMS memory boards of yesteryear
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  803. [19:54:25] <gandhijee_> but those sat in like ISA slots didn't they?
  804. [19:54:31] <mru> yes
  805. [19:54:50] <mru> and the ISA bus maps into the processor address space
  806. [19:54:56] <gandhijee_> so they aren't directly connected to the memory system, so the processor has to be made aware of extra memory have the init
  807. [19:54:58] <mru> just a tad slower than directly attached ram
  808. [19:55:02] <ds2> when they were used, the systems didn't have or are capable of using PCI, etc.
  809. [19:55:34] <ds2> ISA is more or less an subset of the GPMC functionality
  810. [19:56:12] <gandhijee_> i have no clue what GPMC is
  811. [19:56:44] <ds2> something similar to the ISA ;)
  812. [19:57:03] <gandhijee_> before my time i guess =/ and i'm getting kind of old
  813. [19:57:21] <mru> anyhow, trying to describe a pc and an omap with common terms is not a very useful exercise
  814. [20:01:02] <_av500_> no A20 gate...
  815. [20:02:00] <gandhijee_> A20 = legacy
  816. [20:02:42] <mru> shoehorning both systems into a single model will not help you understand either of them better
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  819. [20:07:31] <gandhijee_> i am looking at it from a point of view of a non legacy embedded system.
  820. [20:08:07] <gandhijee_> from that aspect IMO they can conform to a single model with the difference in processor instruction set.
  821. [20:08:28] <mru> your opinion is flawed
  822. [20:08:58] <gandhijee_> thats great you think that, are you aware that arm systems can now also run UEFI?
  823. [20:09:13] <mru> you can put uefi on anything you like
  824. [20:09:16] <_av500_> yes, CPUs can run SW
  825. [20:09:22] <_av500_> news at 11
  826. [20:09:52] <gandhijee_> people can speak
  827. [20:11:13] <_av500_> so then, the omap4 is a PC with the ARM instruction set
  828. [20:11:20] <_av500_> if that helps
  829. [20:11:45] <mru> I don't see any acpi on omap4
  830. [20:12:14] <gandhijee_> *yet*
  831. [20:12:25] <mru> _omap4_ won't have it ever
  832. [20:12:36] <gandhijee_> omap is arm derived.
  833. [20:12:41] <_av500_> legacy...
  834. [20:12:46] <gandhijee_> if you TI wants Win8 on omap it will be there.
  835. [20:12:54] <gandhijee_> no APM is legacy, ACPI is not
  836. [20:12:57] <mru> but that won't be omap4
  837. [20:13:02] <_av500_> mru: it will
  838. [20:13:10] <_av500_> sad as it is
  839. [20:13:16] <mru> new rom?
  840. [20:13:19] <gandhijee_> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/10/16/3
  841. [20:13:36] <_av500_> mru: nope
  842. [20:13:47] <mru> then it's not part of the omap4
  843. [20:13:52] <noname^^> microsoft will probably standardize the ARM industry around some specification like they did with the PC in the late 80s/early 80s
  844. [20:13:53] <noname^^> 90s
  845. [20:13:58] <noname^^> sad but true
  846. [20:14:19] <mru> assuming windows-running arm devices become popular at all
  847. [20:15:02] <_av500_> what google started, M$ will end
  848. [20:15:14] <noname^^> they will when they undercut the android devices with 30%
  849. [20:15:21] <prpplague> gandhijee_: win8 is already announced with omap4
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  851. [20:15:38] <noname^^> hell, people will buy discount microsoft devices and put android on them. but that won't show up in the company sales figures
  852. [20:15:44] <mru> I'm sure win8 can be run without acpi with a little effort
  853. [20:16:12] <_av500_> noname^^: I bet buying android devices to run android on them will be cheaper
  854. [20:16:20] <prpplague> noname^^: rumor has it that ms is going to do secure boot on arm similar to the secure boot they have planned for PC's
  855. [20:16:32] <_av500_> of course
  856. [20:16:37] <noname^^> _av500_, hell no, not when microsoft is paying the manufacturer
  857. [20:16:44] <mru> but if you're building an android device there's no reason to care
  858. [20:16:46] <noname^^> prpplague, yeah
  859. [20:16:58] <mru> secure boot only matters if you're designing a device to run windows
  860. [20:17:03] <gandhijee_> prpplague, no rumor its going to happen. the insyde guys claim you should be able to turn it off. but from the docs that i've seen MS doesn't let you turn it of.
  861. [20:17:36] <mru> and that affects my new android phone how?
  862. [20:17:43] <_av500_> mru: google enforces secure boot even on android
  863. [20:17:55] <mru> something else then
  864. [20:17:57] <_av500_> for leet netflix DRM and suh
  865. [20:18:00] <_av500_> such
  866. [20:18:18] <_av500_> and manuf will be lazy and will be implementing one HW scheme only
  867. [20:18:59] <gandhijee_> hmm should ubuntu put out some status message over the console port?
  868. [20:19:11] <noname^^> mru, I'm not sure what you're getting at. what devices device manufacturers make money from unavoidably helps shape the future of devices and architectures
  869. [20:19:31] <mru> currently the money is not being made from windows devices...
  870. [20:20:00] <mru> if you're not intending for a device to run windows, there's no reason to follow microsoft's rules
  871. [20:20:18] <noname^^> who's "you"?
  872. [20:20:27] <_av500_> gandhijee_: no, that is legacy to them
  873. [20:20:35] <mru> noname^^: anyone making gadgets
  874. [20:21:42] <noname^^> well people making gadgets will love if there's a standardized platform they can manufacturer for and guarantee that the target operating system will play nice with
  875. [20:22:20] <mru> and if the target os is not windows, they won't care about secure boot
  876. [20:22:34] <noname^^> because android/linux will start supporting it
  877. [20:22:50] <mru> and the engine controller in your car runs either of those?
  878. [20:23:08] <noname^^> linux? maybe
  879. [20:23:11] <noname^^> if I had a car xD
  880. [20:23:12] <mru> oh no
  881. [20:23:25] <mru> you do not run linux on such systems
  882. [20:23:35] <noname^^> http://www.slideshare.net/fscons/embedding-linux-for-an-automotive-environment
  883. [20:24:00] <_av500_> google mandates to ship with DRM, but allows to unlock bootloader if you t the same time hide/destroy the drm keys
  884. [20:24:17] <_av500_> i fear that lazy manufs will implement the former only
  885. [20:25:54] <mru> noname^^: is that supposed to contain any information?
  886. [20:26:31] <mru> of course you can run linux on non-critical user interface parts
  887. [20:30:01] <hjf288> mman i wish linaro would ship prebuilt images WITH the HWPack included.. -_-ll
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  889. [20:30:36] <_av500_> that would be too convenient
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  891. [20:31:24] <noname^^> mru, well, it proves that the automotive industry is using linux
  892. [20:31:34] <mru> I never said the didn't
  893. [20:31:45] <mru> I said they don't run linux on the engine controller
  894. [20:32:22] <noname^^> and if standardized, low-power components are mass produced, they become very cheap
  895. [20:32:37] <noname^^> and no company is a stranger to saving money
  896. [20:33:18] <mru> let me rephrase: if you're building a device to run something non-windows, why would you build it such that it can only run windows?
  897. [20:33:53] <noname^^> why are you asking this question?
  898. [20:34:40] <mru> in an attempt to get the point across
  899. [20:34:44] <mru> apparently if failed
  900. [20:35:01] <noname^^> if you're a chip maker you develop the chips so they CAN run windows. what the specific devices use is not important
  901. [20:35:22] <mru> but if the chip is capable of running anything, what's the problem?
  902. [20:35:26] <noname^^> they can use whatever operating system they like. it's just that if those devices are to run windows, they (the devices) have to be windows only
  903. [20:35:30] <noname^^> not hte chip or the specification
  904. [20:36:07] <mru> so.. if you don't want to run windows on your phone, don't buy a phone with windows
  905. [20:36:10] <noname^^> problem? there's no problem. I'm just saying that microsoft will have the industry standardized around a (their) specification
  906. [20:36:15] <mru> is that too straight-forward?
  907. [20:36:55] <mru> if you want to run your car on petrol, don't buy a diesel
  908. [20:37:37] <noname^^> why are you telling me these things? have you confused me with someone else you had an argument with earlier? I don't get it...
  909. [20:37:49] <mru> you're the one who started arguing
  910. [20:38:04] <mru> maybe you confused yourself with someone else
  911. [20:38:37] <noname^^> I'm not arguing with anyone! I just made a statment that microsoft will standardize the arm industry much like they did the PC-industry. after that you started telling me weird stuff
  912. [20:39:25] <mru> so you think they'll run windows on the engine controllers?
  913. [20:39:49] <noname^^> no, but the chip makers will develop chips that CAN run windows, and they will be super mass produced
  914. [20:39:53] <noname^^> and be really cheap
  915. [20:40:06] <noname^^> and run whatever operating system that can run on that specific, wide spread standard
  916. [20:40:12] <mru> if you are building engine controller chips, you do not give a fuck about windows
  917. [20:40:12] <noname^^> so the car manufacturers will buy them
  918. [20:40:26] <noname^^> because of the price/performance ratio obv
  919. [20:40:30] <mru> same for any industrial application
  920. [20:40:55] <noname^^> so you agree then?
  921. [20:40:58] <mru> no
  922. [20:41:00] <noname^^> haha, ok
  923. [20:41:05] <noname^^> whatever, let's agree to disagree
  924. [20:41:10] <mru> the vast majority of ARM chips are nowhere near windows
  925. [20:42:03] <mru> if, and only if, windows should become popular on phones, they might influence the _phone_ chip designs
  926. [20:42:28] <noname^^> I'm betting they're putting their money on pads
  927. [20:42:39] <mru> same thing
  928. [20:42:42] <noname^^> same chips though
  929. [20:42:43] <noname^^> yeah
  930. [20:43:01] <mru> and those chips are totally unsuitable for industrial control applications, for example
  931. [20:43:26] <noname^^> what, you don't want to play h. 264 video on your chain saw? :P
  932. [20:43:59] <noname^^> I guess it depends on what kind of HMI we'll see on those type of devices in the future
  933. [20:46:40] <_av500_> on a chain saw, the HMI is the chain
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  935. [20:47:18] <noname^^> _av500_, haha
  936. [20:47:43] <_av500_> but maye it will chain boot windows
  937. [20:48:06] <noname^^> :PP
  938. [20:52:04] <_av500_> windows on arm is the same as linux on PC, a bargain to get intel to reduce chip prices
  939. [20:52:27] <_av500_> like linux on netbook made M$ sell XP cheap
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  941. [20:52:40] <noname^^> x86 isn't really awesome with mobile applications though
  942. [20:52:47] <_av500_> why?
  943. [20:52:57] <_av500_> it has no mobile instructions?
  944. [20:53:06] <noname^^> I have no idea about any of the specifics but I've never seen any x86 phones
  945. [20:53:17] <noname^^> part from that nokia from 91 or whatever xD
  946. [20:53:25] <Crnkoj> hey guys jsut wanted to say, i managed to get omapfb to run on gentoo for x-server
  947. [20:54:04] <Crnkoj> it all came don to the wrong omapfb driver enabled in the kernel (omap-drm)
  948. [20:55:00] <_av500_> DRM is to be blamed again :)
  949. [20:55:13] <gandhijee_> medfield is what intel is trying to use for the mobile devices.
  950. [20:55:14] <Crnkoj> ye, well it is in the staging drivers and labeled experimental :D
  951. [20:55:35] <gandhijee_> the console port that is on the pandaboard is ttyO?
  952. [20:57:29] <Crnkoj> btw guys if anyone from "pandaboard support" is here, the ES needs a heatsink for the ram/cpu combo shipped with it, i attached one myself and its still terribly hot
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  961. [21:12:50] <gandhijee_> hey, what params to i need to pass mkimage to make a script for uboot on the pandaboard?
  962. [21:16:50] <_av500_> none
  963. [21:16:57] <_av500_> use a current uboot and uEnv.txt
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  965. [21:18:13] <gandhijee_> _av500_, wrong answer, just found it - mkimage -A arm -T script -C none -n "Pandaboard boot script" -d boot.script boot.scr
  966. [21:19:05] <gandhijee_> my question is why am i not getting console output on the serial port. i guess that the port isn't ttyS2
  967. [21:19:15] <_av500_> old uboot ftw
  968. [21:19:27] <_av500_> gandhijee_: ubuntu has no console output
  969. [21:19:31] <gandhijee_> this is the ubuntu 11.10
  970. [21:19:33] <_av500_> only the server version
  971. [21:19:39] <_av500_> which has no X11 in return
  972. [21:19:43] <_av500_> you cannot have both
  973. [21:19:46] <gandhijee_> _av500_, wrong again
  974. [21:20:09] <gandhijee_> have debug messages output via serial and a X display is a valid configuration
  975. [21:20:22] <mru> not in ubuntu
  976. [21:20:26] <gandhijee_> you can have the kernel messages come out over serial
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  978. [21:20:29] <_av500_> you broke it
  979. [21:20:38] <gandhijee_> sure, whatever.
  980. [21:20:43] <_av500_> or at least voided the warranty
  981. [21:20:54] <mru> avoid the warranty
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  983. [21:21:47] <gandhijee_> yes, exactly. because the uboot params spec ttyS2, and i already asked which port the physical connector on the board maps too. ( ttyO0 to O3, which is the one with the physical connector)
  984. [21:21:55] <gandhijee_> which means i broke the board
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  987. [21:26:07] <robclark> ttyO2 (note: letter O, not digit 0)
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  989. [21:27:21] <gandhijee_> thank you robclark
  990. [21:27:30] <robclark> no prob
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  992. [21:31:58] <gandhijee_> hmm that seemed to kind of work... i threw out a buncha garbage.....
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  994. [21:32:37] <gandhijee_> strange, threw out trash at the start, now justa buncha msgs about dmi-audio-codec
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  997. [21:35:08] <Crnkoj> hey guys i would like to use the secondary DVI-D output on the pandaboard, which driver needs to be selected or deselected int eh kernel to work on boot ?
  998. [21:37:31] <prpplague> Crnkoj: secondary dvi-d?
  999. [21:37:39] <prpplague> Crnkoj: panda only has one dvi-d outpit
  1000. [21:37:41] <prpplague> output
  1001. [21:37:53] <Crnkoj> well yes the DVI-D output, i refered to it as the secondary since the HDMI is the primary
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  1003. [21:38:07] <Crnkoj> sorry for the confusing statement
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  1006. [21:41:30] <Crnkoj> so any knowledge about outputting to the primary DVI-D ?
  1007. [21:43:29] <prpplague> Crnkoj: it all depends on which kernel version you are using, what distro your are running, and what you want to do with it
  1008. [21:43:35] <gandhijee_> another question. my ubuntu was working with keyboard and mouse on ubuntu. but it just stopped, i can see the cursor move inside X windows, but i cant really click anything. also the keyboard doesn't seem to work. i can see that the kerenl is picking up the devices and is seeing the input from the keyboard and mouse
  1009. [21:43:51] <prpplague> Crnkoj: you can pass command line boot args to set it on most prebuilt kernel distros
  1010. [21:44:35] <Crnkoj> prpplague running the TI-omap ubuntu 3.2.1 kernel and gentoo, as the system, i have all working now over hdmi (x-server omapfb and so on), but would like to use the DVI-D port because my monitor doesnt give out the right EDID on HDMI
  1011. [21:44:57] <prpplague> Crnkoj: then i'd ask over in gentoo
  1012. [21:45:41] <Crnkoj> so you say i should set teh boot.scr args to output to DVI-D, how should that arg look like ?
  1013. [21:46:11] <Crnkoj> prpplague ye thats harder since noone ahs a pandaboard and besides its generally the same over all distros to get output to one or the other output at boot
  1014. [21:47:13] <prpplague> Crnkoj: generally yes, but not nessarilly
  1015. [21:47:21] <prpplague> Crnkoj: might ask over in #ubuntu-arm
  1016. [21:47:40] <Crnkoj> ye ok thanks
  1017. [21:48:06] <Crnkoj> ill reform the question, does anyone here run the DVI-D port on the pandaboard at boot as the first screen output ?
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  1019. [21:51:28] <prpplague> Crnkoj: yes
  1020. [21:52:18] <Crnkoj> prpplague so you are, do you run it by means of boot args in boot.scr or by means of enabling/disabling certain drivers in the kernel?
  1021. [21:52:54] <prpplague> Crnkoj: i set the default display device in the panda machine file
  1022. [21:53:07] <prpplague> Crnkoj: but you can pass the command as a boot arg
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  1024. [21:53:33] <Crnkoj> prpplague machine file ? how should the boot arg look like than ?
  1025. [21:53:53] <prpplague> Crnkoj: don't need any bootargs if you set it in the machine file
  1026. [21:54:05] <prpplague> Crnkoj: http://omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_FAQ#How_do_I_enable_DVI_output.3F
  1027. [21:54:20] <Crnkoj> prpplague ok, still i dont know what the machinefile is
  1028. [21:54:27] <Crnkoj> thank you
  1029. [21:54:53] <prpplague> Crnkoj: machine file is the .c file in the linux kernel that defines how the pandaboard is configured
  1030. [21:55:28] <Crnkoj> oh ok, maybe ill do that in a few months, when i know it better :D , so the link you gave me enables both hdmi and dvi-d at boot i assume
  1031. [21:56:19] <prpplague> Crnkoj: both are normally enabled on boot, but only one is the default display
  1032. [21:56:44] <Crnkoj> ah that makes it the default than i guess
  1033. [21:56:55] <prpplague> correct
  1034. [21:57:54] <Crnkoj> and if i remove the dvi-d bootarg it will make hdmi default again, i assume, secondly what does the MR-24 mean in here omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x1024MR-24@60 ?
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  1036. [21:58:57] <prpplague> http://omappedia.org/wiki/Bootargs_for_enabling_display#DSS_specific_bootargs
  1037. [21:59:15] <prpplague> Crnkoj: just fyi, you aren't the first to ask these questions, they are pretty well documented on the wiki
  1038. [21:59:43] <Crnkoj> yes i see, still the omapfb.mode isnt in the second link you gave (which i was looking at already)
  1039. [22:00:26] <prpplague> Crnkoj: uh what? i did not understand your statement
  1040. [22:00:38] <Crnkoj> eh nvm sorry, should set a bigger font ^ ^
  1041. [22:00:44] <Crnkoj> forget it didnt see it properly lol
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  1043. [22:03:08] <gandhijee_> Crnkoj, i have it running that way on my board. but i am using ubuntu.
  1044. [22:03:38] <Crnkoj> gandhijee_ye thanks, reading those boot args now, will do one soon and report back
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  1047. [22:05:30] <gandhijee_> but my system doesn't respond to input now for some reason =/
  1048. [22:05:47] <Crnkoj> lol
  1049. [22:05:58] <Crnkoj> i ahd that issue at first, had the kernel wrongly configured
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  1051. [22:06:20] <Crnkoj> i assume input form an usb mouse/keyboard ?
  1052. [22:06:27] <gandhijee_> well i am using the stock one, and it literally stopped working
  1053. [22:06:30] <gandhijee_> yeah
  1054. [22:06:43] <gandhijee_> system was working accepting input, rebooted. bam X no longer takes input
  1055. [22:06:56] <gandhijee_> but the kernel is seeing it from the devices.
  1056. [22:07:06] <Crnkoj> does net work ?
  1057. [22:07:06] <Crnkoj> are the leds on the eth port lit ?
  1058. [22:07:09] <Crnkoj> i havent had the power supplying driver for the usb/ethernet hub installed so it didnt work
  1059. [22:07:14] <Crnkoj> ah
  1060. [22:07:15] <Crnkoj> weird
  1061. [22:07:19] <gandhijee_> yeah net works,
  1062. [22:07:27] <prpplague> gandhijee_: double check to make sure you have a power supply that support enough current
  1063. [22:07:28] <gandhijee_> i can see the mouse cursor in X too
  1064. [22:07:34] <gandhijee_> prpplague, using the wall wart.
  1065. [22:07:43] <prpplague> gandhijee_: "the wall wart" ?
  1066. [22:07:48] <gandhijee_> 5v 3.6Amp
  1067. [22:07:58] <prpplague> should be good then
  1068. [22:08:09] <prpplague> custom kernel?
  1069. [22:08:12] <gandhijee_> nope
  1070. [22:08:40] <prpplague> gandhijee_: i'd ask over in #ubuntu-arm then
  1071. [22:09:00] <gandhijee_> only "custom" think i did was enable the serial output for kern msgs
  1072. [22:09:05] <gandhijee_> gonna remove that and see what happens
  1073. [22:10:29] <prpplague> gandhijee_: as boot args?
  1074. [22:10:33] <Crnkoj> btw prpplague i do assume those bootargs are good for teh 4460 aswell right ?
  1075. [22:10:39] <prpplague> yea
  1076. [22:10:44] <Crnkoj> k thanks
  1077. [22:11:57] <gandhijee_> prpplague, yes
  1078. [22:12:13] <gandhijee_> and apparently that was the problem...
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  1083. [22:42:34] <pbuckley> heya, has anyone got airplay working under ubuntu 11.10?
  1084. [22:43:02] <prpplague> pbuckley: might best ask in #ubuntu-arm
  1085. [22:43:22] <pbuckley> k ty
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  1098. [23:32:21] <Rey_> Hello
  1099. [23:32:42] <Rey_> I am considering buying a pandaboard as my only pc, is that a bad idea?
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  1101. [23:38:49] <prpplague> Rey_: unless you are doing some arm dev, it probably isn't a good idea
  1102. [23:40:40] <ds2> people used apple 1's as their only computer....
  1103. [23:42:15] <prpplague> ds2: but that had specific expectations
  1104. [23:42:19] <prpplague> s/that/they
  1105. [23:44:38] <Rey_> Okay thank you
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  1107. [23:47:55] <Crnkoj> hey guys what fps do you get with glxgears on your builds? i get a measly 26fps with omapfb
  1108. [23:48:34] <Crnkoj> on the stock size that is
  1109. [23:48:44] * prpplague assumes glxgears is some android test app
  1110. [23:48:52] <Crnkoj> linux
  1111. [23:48:56] <Crnkoj> its a mesa program
  1112. [23:49:10] <ds2> hehe
  1113. [23:49:11] <Crnkoj> for gentoo its in mesa-progs
  1114. [23:49:30] <ds2> are you SURE it is using mesa?
  1115. [23:49:32] <Crnkoj> x11-apps/mesa-progs
  1116. [23:50:00] <Crnkoj> ds2 i might not be, because if i do eselect mesa list i dont see anything omap related there
  1117. [23:50:23] <ds2> you do not want it to use mesa
  1118. [23:50:55] <Crnkoj> what do i want it to use than ? as far as i was using fb drivers for my pcs it uses mesa
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  1120. [23:51:08] <ds2> mesa is openGL emulation
  1121. [23:51:24] <Crnkoj> ye, obviously for fb you ahve to do that
  1122. [23:51:27] <ds2> unless mesa includes a GLES to GL emulator, it won't work (well?)
  1123. [23:51:46] <Crnkoj> i think it does
  1124. [23:51:47] <ds2> the HW on these SoC's are GLES so your demo program needs to be setup to use GLES
  1125. [23:53:49] <Crnkoj> ds2 i was looking in here http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/pandaboard/hwdrivers.xml and installed omapfb, since i didnt see that hardfloat pvr-omap4 drivers were around for gentoo, judging by the comment in green just under SGX, i woudl say mesa supports this
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  1127. [23:55:30] <ds2> mesa is emulation
  1128. [23:55:48] <Crnkoj> i understand that
  1129. [23:56:17] <Crnkoj> ds2 what setup would you suggest then ?
  1130. [23:56:29] <ds2> a custom one.
  1131. [23:56:30] <ds2> :D
  1132. [23:56:39] <Crnkoj> verywell this wont work
  1133. [23:56:42] <Crnkoj> :)
  1134. [23:58:00] <Crnkoj> anyhow im off
  1135. [23:58:01] <Crnkoj> gn
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