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IRC Log for 2012-01-26

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[06:58:08] <reisei> robclark: that hack, that you suggested yesterday works, but I got wrong resolution... My monitor says that it's only 800x600, but in xorg.conf I set 1280x800, as in bootarg.
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[08:14:59] <LetoThe2nd> m??in
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[08:49:36] <rsv> If we keep getting the messages: "Stopping Digital channel..." and "Stopping Digital channel... what does it mean
[09:02:14] <_av500_> it means its stopping the digital channel
[09:02:26] <Humpelstilzchen> you sure?
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[09:16:16] <rsv> hehe
[09:16:57] <rsv> it happens when i boot the g3 kernel
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[09:20:25] * Topic is 'OMAP discussion & development on PandaBoard Platform | Site: http://www.PandaBoard.org | Paste @ http://pastebin.pandaboard.org/ |Wiki: http://www.omappedia.com/wiki/PandaBoard | IRC logs: http://www.pandaboard.org/pbirclogs/ | IRC Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ircsurvivalguide'
[09:20:25] * Set by orbarron!~orb@nat/ti/x-ztoqabxrceydslsj on Mon Jun 06 15:00:29 UTC 2011
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[09:58:19] <_av500_> g3?
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[10:27:48] <rsv> av500: l27.g.3 release from ti
[10:29:47] <_av500_> g as in gingerbread
[10:32:35] <rsv> _av500_: yes
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[10:39:59] <_av500_> but that is like old and obsolete? no? :)
[10:42:54] <rsv> yes, i tried g5 but it wont solve the hdmi issue
[10:46:43] <_av500_> I dount anybody in TI is still working on g releases
[10:46:46] <_av500_> doubt
[10:47:33] <rsv> does anyother release provide ducati binaries
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[11:11:12] <_av500_> rsv: ics, no?
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[11:37:51] <rsv> _av500_: sorry, i have a lousy netconnection
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[11:59:59] <joe_> Hey guys
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[12:00:22] <joe_> Just trying to get a syslink hello world running on pandaboard with ubuntu
[12:01:07] <joe_> have a test file with Ipc_Config config; which compiles fine but when I do
[12:01:21] <joe_> Ipc_getConfig (&config); I get the following error
[12:01:34] <joe_> undefined reference to `Ipc_getConfig'
[12:01:36] <joe_> from the linker
[12:02:11] <joe_> both Ipc_Config and Ipc_getConfig seem to be defined in IpcUsr.h
[12:02:34] <joe_> so it looks like I might be missing a library?
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[12:30:13] <supernovagm> hi, can you give me the link to install ubuntu on pandaboard ? i don't remember
[12:31:53] <LetoThe2nd> supernovagm: open "google.com" in your browser, enter "ubuntu arm omap", click "i feel lucky"
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[12:32:12] <supernovagm> xD yes, i found it
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[13:10:21] <dioxin> I've managed to get Ubuntu Server up on PandaboardES, does anyone know how to send the command prompt to the DVI out?
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[13:12:41] <ogra_> dioxin, try HDMI instead
[13:12:53] <dioxin> nothing is outputting to either
[13:13:26] <ogra_> it should have a login prompt by default (at least after the installation via serial is fully completed)
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[13:14:51] <dioxin> scrub that... HDMI works, I just didnt let it pop out of power save mode when I switched it across :(
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[13:15:29] <ogra_> ah
[13:15:32] <dioxin> where is the output controlled tho? say if I wanted to change the resolution or something?
[13:16:11] <ogra_> not sure you can easily control it for console ... probably by using fbset, not sure
[13:16:34] <ogra_> usually the driver reads the EDID of the monitor and picks the highest available res.
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[13:17:02] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: those funny vga kernel command line params don't mess/apply/help/confuse here?
[13:17:23] <ogra_> not sure they still work ... ask robclark or rsalveti ;)
[13:17:37] <LetoThe2nd> just judging from x86
[13:17:50] <ogra_> they used to work in very earlxy iterations of the driver
[13:18:21] <ogra_> not the vga= ones but the hdmimode= stuff thats somewheer on the omappedia wiki
[13:18:39] <LetoThe2nd> ah kay
[13:18:44] <ogra_> i think tehy stopped working at some point though
[13:19:12] <dioxin> also is it straight forward to create a SD image so that I can create restore points? (from another system)
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[13:20:27] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: you mean more straight forward than 4 simple steps as given in the wiki?
[13:20:43] <dioxin> bleh missed that page :(
[13:21:10] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: open "google.com" in your browser, enter "ubuntu arm omap", click "i feel lucky"
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[13:21:35] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: and of course you can always dd the card back to your harddisk to create "snapshots" :)
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[13:22:46] <dioxin> it was this second part you mentioned I was curious about....
[13:23:44] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: think about dd if=/dev/sdYourSDCardHere of=/home/you/yoursupercoolimage.fancyextension bs=1M or such.
[13:24:12] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: googling "dd sd card" will certainly yield some usable information.
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[13:26:24] <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: all it yields here are g+ posts from you
[13:26:59] * LetoThe2nd ducks and covers
[13:27:29] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: i always thought that would just happen for "metal code linux" or such.
[13:27:51] <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: i guess its SPYW running wild
[13:28:24] <dioxin> :) yeah sorry guys, I'm diving in a little deep with the Pandaboard learning x86 and ARM ubuntu from scratch for the most part :(
[13:28:55] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: "running wild" as the metal band? ;)
[13:28:59] <dioxin> basic commandline stuff is all I got to work with :)
[13:29:11] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: time to learn then.
[13:29:32] <dioxin> yup yup
[13:30:03] <dioxin> and I probably havent chosen the easiest of tasks.... seeing if its possible to get a Backtrack environment running on the Pandaboard :D
[13:30:13] <LetoThe2nd> *facepalm*
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[13:31:20] <dioxin> I'm pretty sure the Pandaboard is too underpowered to be of much use tho
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[13:32:36] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: i'm, on the other hand, pretty sure that unless the funny backtrack project doesn't provide arm port repos, your task will fail dues to your non-understanding of instruction set differences. ;)
[13:32:46] <LetoThe2nd> s/doesn't/does/
[13:33:02] <dioxin> I fully understand the differences in the instruction sets :)
[13:33:24] <dioxin> luckily Backtrack has Arm ports for the ARMv7 which the Pandaboard runs off
[13:33:32] <LetoThe2nd> ah yes.
[13:33:54] <dioxin> I also have the repos locked loaded and the public keys working
[13:34:08] <LetoThe2nd> is totally enlightened that finally we have the most beloved script kiddie distribution also on the panda. time to celebrate indeed.
[13:34:22] <dioxin> its not quite on the Panda yet :D
[13:34:54] <dioxin> I tried to use the img they provided but it failed miserably due to lack of the OMAP4 parts
[13:35:19] <dioxin> you probably want to worry when someone ports it to the RaspberryPi :D
[13:35:43] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: totally not because that ones armv5 and ubuntu doesn't support it.
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[13:37:09] <dioxin> its probably not beyond the realms of possibility to compile from source... but doing it all on a single Rpi might make one suicidal!
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[13:37:53] <_av500_> compile what?
[13:38:14] <dioxin> (although I think someone at Canonical built a PandaFarm for compiling, not much of a stretch for R-Pi too)
[13:38:31] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: its certainly not impossible, but anyone capable he probably enough knowledge to be not interested into backtrack anymore, and even if he/she is then he/she is at least worth using it afterwards.
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[13:41:19] <ogra_> ubuntu for armv5 wont happen, so r-pi wont happen
[13:41:51] <ogra_> unless someone really does it at home ... but for r-pi users the general recommendation is: "use debian"
[13:41:55] <dioxin> r-pi isnt dependent on Ubuntu
[13:41:56] <koen> r-pi is armv6
[13:42:12] <ogra_> well, ubuntu for armv6 wont happen either :)
[13:42:20] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: you can'T stop me! its open source! i will fork you! i will rule the world then!
[13:42:37] <ogra_> LetoThe2nd, well, as i said, feel free to do it at home :)
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[13:43:03] * LetoThe2nd proudly annouces the first alpha release of superduperforkbuntu42 by tommorws evening.
[13:43:05] <ogra_> after all i think someone who is insane enough to recompile the whole archive will eventually just give up and switch to debian anywa
[13:43:06] <ogra_> y
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[13:43:39] <dioxin> crosscompilers or a R-Pi farm would certainly ease the task
[13:44:05] <ogra_> there are crosscompilers in ubuntu
[13:44:21] <dioxin> for armv6?
[13:44:26] <ogra_> doesnt help you much beyond compiling something unpackaged from source though
[13:44:33] <ogra_> no, for v7 indeed
[13:45:25] <ogra_> ubuntu doesnt support any pre-v7 stuff anywhere anymore
[13:45:32] <ogra_> and wont go back
[13:45:55] <ogra_> next stop is a15 ... and then armv8
[13:46:03] <dioxin> dependent on the popularity of R-Pi they might change their opinion
[13:46:09] <ogra_> we wont :)
[13:46:42] <dioxin> we?
[13:46:46] <ogra_> yes
[13:46:48] <LetoThe2nd> gnah! ogra_reveals himself!
[13:46:52] <ogra_> lol
[13:47:31] <LetoThe2nd> probably he aims for world dominance with an armv6-enabled ograbuntu himself anyway!!!
[13:47:49] <ogra_> damned you got me !
[13:48:40] <mru> ubuntu on rpi would be no fun at all
[13:48:40] <LetoThe2nd> i won't tell anyone if i can become minister of truth and metal :)
[13:48:48] <rsalveti> well, we're working to get at least a few package sets to be crosscompilable with multiarch
[13:48:54] <ogra_> mru, ubuntu-tv FTW !
[13:48:57] <rsalveti> don't see porting it to armv5/6 as a problem
[13:49:06] <mru> and any arm compiler can compile for armv6 as well as v7
[13:49:10] <mru> it's just a matter of flags
[13:49:12] <ogra_> rsalveti, apart from resources and infrastructure
[13:49:19] <rsalveti> only issue is that the archive will still be incompatible
[13:49:20] <_av500_> ubuntu on armv6 att 700mhz will be fun
[13:49:24] <_av500_> -t
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[13:49:38] <mru> fun in a shadenfreude kind of way
[13:49:41] <ogra_> as funny as on the beagle C series
[13:49:49] <_av500_> yes
[13:50:02] <_av500_> and ubunTV exsists, its called XBMC
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[13:50:16] <ogra_> nah, ubuntu-tv is the frontend for XBMC :)
[13:50:20] <dioxin> XBMC already runs on R-Pi
[13:50:39] <_av500_> ogra_: can totem by added to the layer cake?
[13:50:42] <_av500_> be
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[13:50:47] <ogra_> probably
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[13:50:58] <ogra_> ask rsalveti, he currently plays with -tv
[13:51:04] <mru> if you manage to offload 98% or more of your processing to the gpu and video hardware, I suppose it's fine
[13:51:23] <_av500_> dioxin: yes, I am constanlty amazed by the "SW runs on a CPU" posts all over the blogosphere...
[13:51:42] <mru> the only purpose of the arm core in such a device is to tell the parts with any real power what to do
[13:51:52] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: yeah, those are really worth the fuzz.
[13:51:54] <dioxin> lol, pretty sure most stuff is pushed to GPU/DSP where possible
[13:52:07] <_av500_> "Windows media player ported to Intel ATOM"
[13:52:18] <_av500_> "Word on a quadcore"
[13:52:36] <LetoThe2nd> busybox running on a cortex-a15!
[13:52:38] <_av500_> such fascinating times
[13:52:46] <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: post it to reddit
[13:52:57] <_av500_> so that HN can pick it up
[13:52:58] <BobLeRenard> Hi, anybody knows why the FAQ ( http://omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_FAQ#Where_can_I_buy_OMAP_4_platform_silicon.2Fdevices.3F ) says that's OMAP4 is not intended for "non-mobile" equipment ?
[13:53:12] <_av500_> BobLeRenard: because it wants to be free
[13:53:21] <_av500_> not shackled to a power cord
[13:53:35] <_av500_> so it has to be movin' movin'
[13:53:43] <LetoThe2nd> rockin' rollin'
[13:53:47] <LetoThe2nd> headbangin'
[13:54:21] <dioxin> BobleRenard, its probably due to the way the chip is designed, it aint exactly a processing powerhouse
[13:55:22] <mru> no, it's all about how it is _sold_
[13:55:37] <dioxin> would anyone here sanely use the Pandaboard as a full desktop environment ?
[13:55:43] <LetoThe2nd> BobLeRenard: now think a bit about under what faq point this is written, and you might come to the conlusion that "not for non-mobile" should be read as "not for companies we do not want to sell to, and that will be anything not high-volume and mobile in most cases."
[13:55:48] <mru> if you buy a million chips, they do not care what you do with them
[13:56:13] <ogra_> dioxin, i use something similar for my day to day work (a tegra2 laptop)
[13:56:29] <mru> dioxin: I would not
[13:56:30] <ogra_> it is *possible* but requires a certain amount of masochism
[13:56:57] <dioxin> hence the questioning of sanity ;)
[13:57:00] <mru> sure, it's faster than the laptop I had 5 years ago
[13:57:02] <ogra_> and that your day to day work doesnt require more than 20 browser tabs :)
[13:57:56] <mru> so if you're content to run 5y old software, it'll probably be ok
[13:57:57] <dioxin> btw guys cheers for the help with the SD Card imaging of snapshots ;) it works
[13:58:07] <_av500_> thank dd
[13:58:16] <mru> but software bloat tracks hw power
[13:58:16] <_av500_> and 'em neckbeards
[13:58:19] * ogra_ runs recent ubuntu here
[13:58:33] <ogra_> and it works just fine despite a bit slow
[13:59:04] <_av500_> ogra_: so its not fine :)
[13:59:23] <ogra_> though i must admit i "upgraded" from a first gen classmate PC (800 MHz celeron, 256M) to this ac100 netbook :)
[13:59:39] <dioxin> Ask not what your software can do you for you, but what you can do for your software!
[13:59:53] <_av500_> ogra_: maybe you should get a 2nd job
[13:59:59] <ogra_> (that celeron had 0k L2 cache, switching to the tegra felt like a rocket)
[14:00:10] <ogra_> _av500_, as what ?
[14:00:24] <_av500_> ogra_: i know, will be hard
[14:00:49] <_av500_> but maybe as a laptop salesman and you get one on a employee discount
[14:01:06] <ogra_> lol, i *have* some powerful laptops ...
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[14:01:24] <_av500_> right, there is that masochist bit
[14:01:24] <ogra_> they simply serve as servers for ssh sessions nowadays though
[14:01:33] <ogra_> right :)
[14:01:52] <ogra_> <- masochist dogfooder :)
[14:02:02] <_av500_> wohl bekomm's
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[14:02:08] <ogra_> *burp*
[14:02:28] <BobLeRenard> I can't buy an OMAP4 and do what I want with it ?
[14:02:47] <ogra_> "not intended"
[14:02:58] <ogra_> ... doesnt mean you cant
[14:03:05] <ogra_> but you shouldnt :)
[14:03:21] <_av500_> you should not bet your future on it
[14:03:26] <ogra_> yeah
[14:03:31] <_av500_> but you can buy as many as you can carry
[14:03:51] <LetoThe2nd> BobLeRenard: of course you can buy anything omap4-based, desolder it and therefore get one. but probably nobody will sell you the silicon, if you have to ask this question.
[14:03:57] <ogra_> and i.e. build ai touchbooks from it that fall on their face all the time :)
[14:04:52] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: i'd suggest a double shot of vodka for the burping.
[14:05:04] <ogra_> good idea !
[14:05:09] * ogra_ goes and gets one
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[14:06:20] <dioxin> aint much use getting the OMAP4 silicon without the backup IP of how to get it running
[14:16:38] <dioxin> its kinda of like buying an INTEL cpu without any motherboards on sale
[14:16:58] <dioxin> you get a funky paperweight
[14:17:31] <_av500_> omap4 is not much of a paper*weight*
[14:18:04] <mru> in the minimum quantity it sure is
[14:18:19] <LetoThe2nd> mru: +1
[14:18:47] <dioxin> I wonder what the minimum quantity is....
[14:19:10] <mru> not less than 100k, possibly more
[14:19:18] <dioxin> pretty sure its much higher than the quantity of Pandaboards....
[14:19:22] <LetoThe2nd> dioxin: rumour is ranging around 500k to 1000k per anno usually.
[14:20:05] <LetoThe2nd> might be less if your product is super cool and selected by ti sales, but in general thats the range AFAIK.
[14:21:33] <mru> so if I build a liquid helium cooled tablet, do I get to buy them?
[14:22:15] <LetoThe2nd> mru: if rich templeton is into those gadgets, then probably yes ;)
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[14:25:46] <earl-ger> Hi guys. I'm new to Pandaboard. Can anyone answer some of my questions?
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[14:26:16] <mru> probably, but you'll likely question our answers
[14:26:16] <stemp> trying to install a kinect on my pandaboard (running ubuntu)
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[14:26:47] <earl-ger> I don't think theyre kinda noobish questions
[14:27:10] <dioxin> quicker to just ask the questions than debate the thought of them :)
[14:27:11] <earl-ger> I developed before on IDEA6410 from boardcon with Android 1.6
[14:27:38] <earl-ger> Do the Pandaboard images/binaries have support for 3G Modems?
[14:28:08] <earl-ger> Especially on Android OS
[14:29:09] <earl-ger> And do I have to compile them, or are there ready-to-flash images (zimage, sd-card image etc)
[14:30:00] <LetoThe2nd> earl-ger: not sure about the 3g thing, but linro provides kind-of ready images. check linaro.org/download
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[14:31:45] <earl-ger> great - keeping that in mind
[14:31:52] <earl-ger> thx so far
[14:31:54] <earl-ger> ;-)
[14:33:57] <earl-ger> and the touchscreen panel? are there any kits with compatible hardware or is there a list?
[14:34:34] <LetoThe2nd> nothing official.
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[14:35:38] * ogra_ knows 3G works fine on general ubuntu on the panda (tested with a few different huawei modems) so there shouldnt be a reason it wouldnt wotk on android
[14:35:42] <ogra_> *work
[14:37:26] <earl-ger> ok but then i will have to compile my own kernel with 3g drivers and the android distribution?
[14:37:36] <ogra_> no idea, i dont touch android
[14:37:59] <ogra_> might or might not have the drivers, ask the linaro guys in #linaro i would suggest
[14:38:09] <earl-ger> ok great thx
[14:38:15] <earl-ger> hows the ubuntu performance on pandaboard?
[14:38:35] <ogra_> as you would expect a fully flown desktop OS on a mobile platform
[14:38:51] <ogra_> its okayish ... kind of
[14:39:11] <earl-ger> cool...i only need a fully integrated touchscreen input for a project, because of this i developed an android app
[14:39:22] <dioxin> would using a lighterweight frontend help much? or is the ARM Ubuntu lightweight enough?
[14:39:37] <ogra_> unity-2d is pretty lightweight already
[14:39:46] <dioxin> (gnome vs xfce or soemthing)
[14:39:54] <ogra_> and its not causing the actual slowness you will see
[14:40:01] <ogra_> SD cards are
[14:40:43] <dioxin> i presume that using a usb HDD wouldnt help performance=
[14:40:51] <dioxin> ?*
[14:40:52] <ogra_> it does
[14:41:23] <ogra_> in fact (since ubuntu focuses more on arm server atm) we only use USB HDDs for server testing atm
[14:41:25] <earl-ger> usb 2.0 ssd
[14:41:38] <ogra_> what would an SSD gain you
[14:41:42] <earl-ger> would be considerable for mobile applications
[14:41:45] <ogra_> apart from being expensive
[14:41:50] <LetoThe2nd> ogra_: its way ,pre cool!
[14:41:57] <LetoThe2nd> more.
[14:41:58] <ogra_> heh
[14:42:22] <noname^^> an ssd will gain you loads obv
[14:42:37] <dioxin> isnt it still limited by usb 2.0 ?
[14:42:45] <ogra_> noname^^, in what way ?
[14:42:50] <ogra_> dioxin, exactly :)
[14:42:52] <noname^^> perceived performance
[14:42:59] <LetoThe2nd> rice factor.
[14:43:00] <earl-ger> yes but compare it to a small 2,5' hdd
[14:43:12] <noname^^> it's still super low latency compared to an ssd
[14:43:16] <ogra_> noname^^, so how do you squeeze more than 24MB/s out of USB 2.0 with an SSD ?
[14:43:36] <earl-ger> ok convinced...just an idea :D
[14:43:45] <noname^^> I'm sure it can do at least 50MB/s
[14:43:49] <noname^^> if you just have a mouse on there
[14:43:59] <noname^^> but I said latency, not bandwidth
[14:44:02] <LetoThe2nd> noname^^: thats all true once the link from disk to cpu/ram is way faster than your disk latency. that does not necessarily hold true for the omaps usb 2.0 controller...
[14:44:04] <ogra_> you want to have a mouse with builtin SSD ?
[14:44:08] <noname^^> ssd's are just... ugh
[14:44:20] <noname^^> ogra_, the mouse is also on the USB bus
[14:44:32] <earl-ger> yes...and the mouse uses loads of bandwith
[14:44:33] <noname^^> LetoThe2nd, true
[14:44:37] <noname^^> I haven't tried it
[14:44:39] <earl-ger> ;-)
[14:44:40] <noname^^> has anyone?
[14:44:51] <noname^^> earl-ger, it saturates the bus
[14:45:04] <earl-ger> yea
[14:45:15] <noname^^> but as long as you're not using like a network card or something on there I'm sure it'll be fine
[14:45:30] <dioxin> wouldnt you get better performance out of a better class of SD ? (at similar price points)
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[14:45:44] <noname^^> my money's on no
[14:45:45] <ogra_> no, SD classes are marketing myths
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[14:46:15] * ogra_ hass seen cvlass4 cards performing way better than class 10 ... class is nonsense
[14:46:16] <noname^^> yeah, plus, the sd standard isn't really made for running operating systems from
[14:46:26] <noname^^> it's made for storing media from a camera
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[14:47:28] <noname^^> I'll report back here if I ever buy an SSD for my pandaboard ;)
[14:48:02] <dioxin> if only we could hook up an SSD to the SD slot....
[14:48:03] <ogra_> after you found a way to solder a different non-USB NIC onto the board indeed :P
[14:48:43] <_av500_> LetoThe2nd: somebody built a osue with integrated mass storage
[14:48:46] <_av500_> a mouse
[14:48:54] * _av500_ glares at his m key
[14:49:13] <dioxin> av500 imagine if you had dropped the second m too...
[14:50:26] <dioxin> so does anyone use their Pandaboard for a non-mobile purpose?
[14:50:41] * ogra_ runs ubuntu on them
[14:50:57] <noname^^> ogra_, I'll probably try the ssd/usb BEFORE I solder another nic on there actually :P
[14:51:07] <LetoThe2nd> for certain values of "non-mobile-purpose", i'd guess that yes.
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[14:52:11] * _av500_ wonders what a "mobile purpose" is
[14:52:25] <ogra_> geez GrueMaster !
[14:52:43] <ogra_> how did you get *that* !
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[14:52:59] <LetoThe2nd> _av500_: you know these things one often can see hanging above the beds of very young children?
[14:53:07] <GrueMaster> ?
[14:53:10] <GrueMaster> get what?
[14:53:13] * ogra_ sees #pandaboard being taken over by ubuntu QA
[14:53:20] <ogra_> GrueMaster, OP in here
[14:54:02] <GrueMaster> Special that way I guess.
[14:54:19] <ogra_> heh, now make something out of all that power :)
[14:55:46] <GrueMaster> I think there is something going on with my freenode server. I keep splitting off.
[14:56:25] * GrueMaster sets mode -o GrueMaster
[14:57:22] * GrueMaster initializes self-demotion.
[14:57:23] <dioxin> oh how the mighty have fallen....
[14:58:11] <LetoThe2nd> self-demolition?
[14:59:45] <GrueMaster> I felt this was better than someone else kicking me off my high horse.
[15:01:39] <mru> why not teach the high horse to kick?
[15:02:15] <mru> have you ever been kicked by a horse?
[15:02:25] * dioxin pushes GrueMaster off his low pony
[15:03:15] * GrueMaster has a sudden sense of falling.
[15:03:49] * dioxin thinks that gravity is having a bit of a slow day today
[15:04:01] <mru> when falling off a horse, isn't there usually a thud shortly afterwards?
[15:04:23] * mru doesn't have much experience falling off horses, so isn't quite sure
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[15:04:40] <dioxin> depending on how big you are, a fall from a low pony might not be very far
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[16:00:29] <troffmo5_> i have downloaded SDK RN 4 05 03 from TI but there is no gfx_dbg_es7.x!That means no OMAP4 driver anymore?
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[16:17:43] <Crnkoj> hey guys did anyone get x-server to run on his pandaboard on gentoo, with either omapfb or pvr-omap4 drivers? i tried the omapfb way but get a "no screens found" error ?
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[16:20:21] <Crnkoj> or for that matter did anyone get x-server to run on anything but ubuntu?
[16:20:51] <dioxin> I currently have the no screens found, and I'm working to find out what the ubuntu settings are to get it running
[16:20:59] <dioxin> xorg -configure gave me nothing
[16:21:21] <troffmo5_> with arch i had no success
[16:21:26] <Crnkoj> dioxin, i see i checked into ubuntu aswell, there is such a mess
[16:21:57] <Crnkoj> i even have a very hard time compiling the kernel on the pandaboard from the gentoo omap4 kernel sources
[16:22:17] <Crnkoj> seeing issues i have managed to circumvent with the ubuntu kernel sources and compiling on my pc
[16:22:28] <troffmo5_> Crnkoj, where did u get pvr-omap4 drivers ?
[16:22:59] <Crnkoj> troffmo5_, i did not test pvr-omap4 drivers yet
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[16:23:34] <Crnkoj> troffmo5_, they are in the pandaboard overlay for linux (i think armin76 is maintaining it), but i dont think they are hardfloat yet, while my system is hardfloat, thats why i did not try them
[16:23:54] <Crnkoj> thats why i try getting omapfb to use
[16:24:34] <dioxin> I'm currently working from an ubuntu server environment trying to get a gnome session running
[16:25:34] <troffmo5_> i've read that ubuntu is moving to hardfp too
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[16:26:28] <troffmo5_> perhaps there is some hope
[16:26:37] <Crnkoj> troffmo5_, yes, a few days ago one of the guys here said they have hardfloat pvr-omap4 drivers and are testing them, just need to release them (for ubuntu at least)
[16:27:03] <prpplague> ron_frown: you get your package?
[16:27:42] <troffmo5_> why are they not officially distributed by TI?
[16:28:23] <Crnkoj> troffmo5_, i dont know you might have to ask TI about that :) but i guess they will be soon
[16:28:24] <ogra_> they are done by TI in the ubuntu omap4 PPA
[16:28:25] <troffmo5_> has Ubuntu a particular partnership with canonical?
[16:28:37] <Crnkoj> you mean TI with canonical? :)
[16:28:46] <ogra_> yes, ubuntu has a particular partnership with canonical :)
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[16:28:53] * ogra_ grins
[16:28:54] <troffmo5_> Crnkoj, that is a good news :-)
[16:29:20] <Crnkoj> troffmo5_, what part now? :)
[16:29:31] <troffmo5_> Crnkoj, ops....yes :-)
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[16:31:17] <troffmo5_> both LOL
[16:31:18] <Crnkoj> dioxin, which xorg server version are you using? i have 1.11.3 , but if i want to emerge pvr-omap4 drivers than it drops to 1.10.6 (ro something like that)
[16:31:18] <ron_frown> prpplague: nah, but then ups/fedex usually comes later
[16:31:18] <ron_frown> do you ahve a trackign no
[16:31:18] <prpplague> ron_frown: left it in the car :(
[16:31:18] <ron_frown> or if its already here I havent been made aware of it
[16:31:21] <prpplague> ron_frown: will have to go back out to get it
[16:31:31] <prpplague> ron_frown: i'll get the tracking in a few
[16:31:34] <ron_frown> k
[16:31:58] <dioxin> 1.10.4 Xorg -version
[16:32:21] <Crnkoj> dioxin, i see probably not an xorg-server issue than
[16:32:24] <ron_frown> I'd appreciate it.... even though we havent put out any money yet, my boss is getting on me about figuring something out for displays. I've already stressed that it appears you guys are working hard for our business
[16:32:38] <ron_frown> you overnighted it, does that mean probably morning delivery
[16:32:39] <ron_frown> or.
[16:32:55] <prpplague> ron_frown: should be by 10am iirc
[16:33:01] <ron_frown> k
[16:34:36] <Humpelstilzchen> dioxin: You might be better off creating a manual xorg.conf
[16:34:59] <ron_frown> I can not wait until xfree / xorg is a thing of the past
[16:35:04] <ron_frown> it'll be huge for linux as a workstation
[16:35:06] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, i tried that too, still an error, do you maybe have a sample xorg.conf that one could use as a template ?
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[16:35:18] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: What video driver do you want to use?
[16:35:31] <Crnkoj> omapfb
[16:35:46] <ogra_> that doesnt need an xorg.conf
[16:36:04] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, i have a hardfloat gentoo system, evreything runs great, but well x-server gives me the no screen found error, adn i think there is no hardfloat pvr-omap4 for gentoo yet
[16:36:05] <ogra_> in fact xorg should just use it if its there
[16:36:29] <Crnkoj> let me pastebin the log
[16:36:37] <ogra_> do you want to use omapfb or pvr ?
[16:36:43] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: And what kernel is that? I had problems with one linaro kernel to start xorg
[16:37:33] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, i tried with the 3.2.1 kernel from TI site and with a 3.0.0 kernel from gentoo-sources, both produced the same erro, ive configured omap3+ gpu support in the TI one and powervr in the gentoo one
[16:37:38] <ogra_> (omapfb is just xfbdev on steroids and will be autodetected by xorg on start, at least thats what happens in ubuntu if you dont have pvr installed)
[16:37:42] <Crnkoj> sadly there is no additional info as to how to get it to work on gentoo
[16:38:01] <Humpelstilzchen> ogra_: The xorg in my debian wanted fbdev first
[16:38:19] <Crnkoj> ogra_, yes i know that, but it does not get autodetected, sadly, thats why im asking, as far as pvr goes as said i dont think there is a hardfloat version for gentoo yet, so i cannot use that
[16:38:25] <ogra_> Humpelstilzchen, oh, well, if you have the omapfb debian package installed that should be preferred
[16:38:30] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, yes its crying there is no fbdev
[16:39:01] <ogra_> do you get X without any pvr stuff installed ?
[16:39:03] <Crnkoj> i even have VIDEO_CARDS="omapfb" in my make.conf which tells the system to install omapfb drivers
[16:39:07] <ogra_> xfbdev should always work
[16:39:12] <Crnkoj> ogra_, i dont have any pvr stuff isntalled, jsut omapfb
[16:39:17] <ogra_> and be autodetected
[16:39:22] <Crnkoj> hmm let me try that
[16:40:02] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: sorry no longer have the fbdev xorg.conf it seems. But iirc I needed a device section with driver omapfb and device fb0 or fb1
[16:40:24] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, let me fetch you one i have found and oyu can check
[16:41:11] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.embedded.pandaboard/2458 here the guy has a sample one, using fb0
[16:41:34] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: that should do
[16:41:46] <Humpelstilzchen> I remember the post, I got it from there :)
[16:41:50] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, i have /sys/devices/platform/omapdrm.o/graphics/fb0
[16:42:00] <Crnkoj> so i should use fb0 there
[16:42:02] <Crnkoj> but no avail
[16:43:44] <Crnkoj> im recompiling xorg-server with some different things now and will see what happens, than ill try with xf86-video-fbdev if that works
[16:43:49] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: May be its broken in your kernel? I had problems with a linaro 3.xer kernel while it was working with linaro 2.6.38
[16:44:59] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, yes i sadly cannot rule that out totally, i have to reconfigure the 3.0.0 gentoo kernel, i used to pull the config from the 3.2.1 kernel and do make oldconfig but it all went foobar, had to do menuconfig but still missing some things in the kernel =/
[16:45:14] <Humpelstilzchen> (So I had a 3.0 kernel with working syslink but no X and 2.6er with working X but no syslink - thats were I moved to ubuntu...)
[16:45:50] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: uhm does the 3.0 gentoo even has audio? (If it is mostly vanilla kernel.org then probably not)
[16:46:05] <Crnkoj> but if i get fbdev to work and get xorg to work it will be much better because i can than work on the board itself and dont need to ssh to it (my monitor isnt being properly recognised so parts of the screen are missing ... if connected to the hdmi)
[16:46:11] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, it does
[16:46:19] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, which audio part are oyu interested in
[16:46:41] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, it even has a powervr SGX driver that is absent in the ubuntu 3.2.1 kernel
[16:47:11] <Humpelstilzchen> ok
[16:47:20] <Crnkoj> which confuses me a lot
[16:47:32] <Humpelstilzchen> So you better should use pvr then
[16:47:39] <Crnkoj> because the description doesnt say if its the proprietary from powervr or if its the opensource one
[16:47:54] <Crnkoj> but i dont think there are pvr ahrdfloat binaries out yet
[16:48:02] <Crnkoj> ill do so
[16:48:08] <Crnkoj> ill try with fbdev now
[16:50:22] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: if you really want a good tip: Use ubuntu for now and wait for the driver mess get sorted a bit
[16:50:52] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, ah i know, i have it on a second sdcard, im not impressed by it at all, and i kind of got the board to use it with gentoo specifically :)
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[16:51:00] <Crnkoj> sort of destroys the purpose
[16:51:03] <Crnkoj> =/
[16:52:38] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, do you know why if i use the ubuntu .config with make oldconfig it messes all up hardcore, that i basically have to redo most of the stuff ?
[16:53:10] <Crnkoj> use the .config with the gentoo 3.0 kernel
[16:53:24] <Humpelstilzchen> no idea, maybe another patchset?
[16:53:32] <Crnkoj> could be
[16:53:47] <Crnkoj> k lets see what fbdev has to say
[16:54:30] <Crnkoj> no go
[16:54:31] <Crnkoj> =/
[16:55:11] <Crnkoj> hmm
[16:55:31] <Humpelstilzchen> its FB_OMAP2
[16:55:44] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, hmm i got some progress though
[16:55:50] <Crnkoj> let me pastebin something
[16:55:55] <Crnkoj> 2 mins ahve to emerge wgetpaste first
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[16:56:26] <Crnkoj> shouldnt take long even on an arm device :D
[16:57:18] <Crnkoj> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/541147/
[16:57:22] <Crnkoj> here take a look please
[16:58:05] <Crnkoj> if you check lines 101-107
[16:59:29] <Humpelstilzchen> Crnkoj: it says something with omapdrm - did you try without CONFIG_DRM_OMAP?
[17:01:31] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, i have to admit i didnt, i did it like it seems logical/analogous to how i have to set up special fb drivers on my pcs, ill try to configure a gentoo kernel from scratch
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[17:11:57] <ron_frown> prpplague: I'm gonna take off but if you do happen to make it back out to your car to get the tracking shoot it over via email
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[18:15:18] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, i manually reconfigured the whole kernel, i might know where the problem with omapfb lies!
[18:15:28] <Crnkoj> started compiling a kernel with that in again, but i know where to find it :D
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[18:44:56] <nschle85> does anybody have linaro android installed on panda ? I have some questions about playing videos
[18:45:44] <Humpelstilzchen> anybody anywhere probably has
[18:46:36] <nschle85> you have ?
[18:46:40] <Crnkoj> Humpelstilzchen, can you help me debug this error i get after doing make uImage after i configured my kernel from scratch (it seems i msised something but dont know what), http://pastebin.com/ZtykgZVS
[18:46:41] <Humpelstilzchen> no
[18:49:23] <Crnkoj> i get that error both if crosscompiling on my pc and on the board
[18:49:31] <Crnkoj> with the same config obviously
[18:50:24] <Humpelstilzchen> oh, broken option in kernel
[18:50:45] <Crnkoj> yes i know, but which one
[18:50:57] <Crnkoj> i have honestly no clue which one to search for
[18:51:20] <Humpelstilzchen> populate_rootfs_wait obviously - check which c file provides this function
[18:51:32] <Crnkoj> how do i check that
[18:51:46] <Crnkoj> if i search in menuconfig i cant find that
[18:52:23] <Humpelstilzchen> hmm my kernel does not have this one
[18:53:38] <Humpelstilzchen> can you post your init/calibrate.c on pastebin
[18:54:04] <Crnkoj> let me check
[18:54:46] <Crnkoj> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/541208/
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[19:01:45] <Humpelstilzchen> hmm
[19:02:20] <Humpelstilzchen> try the linaro kernel ;)
[19:02:35] <Crnkoj> ehm
[19:02:49] <Crnkoj> the thing is these kernel sources with make oldconfig form the ubuntu sources compield nicely
[19:02:58] <Crnkoj> but than i removed the settings and put this in
[19:03:04] <Crnkoj> i mean configured manually
[19:04:10] <Humpelstilzchen> lwhat does come up if you grep for populate_rootfs_wait in your kernel sources
[19:12:40] <Crnkoj> uhm sec was doing something else now
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[19:13:20] <Crnkoj> nothing much
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[19:22:57] <gandhijee_> hey, do i need a nullmodem cable for the pandaboard?
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[19:23:25] <LetoThe2nd> gandhijee_: nope, a straight one.
[19:24:04] <gandhijee_> ok, so i can hook up my USB to serial directly too it
[19:24:08] <gandhijee_> 115200, i assume?
[19:24:16] <gandhijee_> *to
[19:24:28] <LetoThe2nd> gandhijee_: 115200 8N!, precisely as the documentation says.
[19:25:05] <gandhijee_> yes, i see what the doc say, the reason i am double checking is because i have no output.
[19:25:47] <LetoThe2nd> properly prepared sd card inserted?
[19:26:23] <gandhijee_> well i was just seeing if i get the bootloader.
[19:26:34] <gandhijee_> does the bootloader reside on the SDcard?
[19:26:55] <LetoThe2nd> arm has no bios....
[19:27:08] <gandhijee_> did i say bios?
[19:27:14] <gandhijee_> no i didn't i said bootloader
[19:27:19] <gandhijee_> aka Uboot/redboot
[19:27:29] <nhg> yes uboot on sdcard
[19:27:38] <LetoThe2nd> so no sd card, no boot, no output
[19:27:44] <gandhijee_> whatever you want. and in this case, the bootload is the bios, as it does some stage 1 init.
[19:28:03] <gandhijee_> BIOS = stage 1 bootloader in arm land, grub = stage 2 bootloader.
[19:28:10] <gandhijee_> ok
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[19:31:50] <ds2> by that definition, OMAPs have a BIOS.
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[19:38:21] <gandhijee_> if you can write the stage 1 bootloader to an onboard flash, you can says its the same.
[19:38:23] <gandhijee_> IMO
[19:38:46] <mru> stage 1 is hardwired in silicon on omap
[19:39:06] <mru> and it's still a very different beast from a pc bios
[19:39:12] <mru> as are all the other boot loader stages
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[19:39:57] <mru> the pc bios does system initialisation and provides some services to the OS (although those are mostly unused nowadays)
[19:40:01] <gandhijee_> umm do i need OMAP3 or 4 images for pandaboard
[19:40:10] <mru> pandaboard is omap4
[19:40:25] <gandhijee_> thanks
[19:41:02] <gandhijee_> what does uboot provide on omap? i know on the LPC32 based devices you can have uboot be the stage 1
[19:41:40] <mru> mlo + u-boot do basic initialisation and load the kernel
[19:41:47] <mru> then they vanish from existence
[19:42:13] <mru> so they do some of what a pc bios does
[19:42:30] <mru> but unlike the pc bios, they don't stick around once they've their thing
[19:44:12] <mru> +done
[19:44:26] <gandhijee_> well thats legacy bios
[19:44:55] <mru> is there any other kind?
[19:44:57] <gandhijee_> new solutions don't stick around, unless they are kind of told to do so (ie some UEFI solution, Coreboot, BLDK)
[19:45:01] <gandhijee_> umm yes
[19:45:18] <gandhijee_> have you heard of coreboot formerly known as linuxbios?
[19:45:23] <mru> sure
[19:46:08] <gandhijee_> well there is an example of one that doesn't stick around, BLDK doesn't stick around either, just inits the hardware loads the kernel then thats it
[19:46:09] <mru> that's more or less replacing the bios with some small init code and a linux kernel
[19:46:19] <gandhijee_> ehh not so much any more
[19:46:41] <gandhijee_> coreboot + seabios will let you load legacy OS's
[19:46:42] <mru> so enlighten me
[19:47:02] <gandhijee_> iirc some people have coreboot to the point it can load Win7 straight.
[19:47:53] <gandhijee_> so it did start of as you describe, small init with a kernel crammed inside the rom.
[19:48:10] <gandhijee_> now it acts like a stage1 init. which can load a payload,
[19:48:34] <mru> and the payload could be a linux kernel, seabios, or something else
[19:48:39] <gandhijee_> yes
[19:49:03] <gandhijee_> coreboot just inits hardware, which is what stage1 does in ARM, correct?
[19:49:24] <mru> define stage1
[19:49:52] <gandhijee_> i usually call stage 1, bring up proc and init memory
[19:50:01] <gandhijee_> as a min,
[19:50:15] <gandhijee_> it can also init say the drive controllers and serial controllers as well
[19:50:28] <mru> in a typical omap4 setup, the first thing to run is the onchip boot rom
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[19:50:56] <ds2> the ROM does the same thing - system init and provide some services to the OS
[19:50:59] <mru> this searches for the next stage in various locations, but does _not_ init external memory
[19:51:36] <mru> usually what it loads is x-loader, u-boot spl, or something similar
[19:51:38] <gandhijee_> on OMAP did doesn't init external memory, correct?
[19:51:40] <ds2> depends on how you define system init - the same can be true of PC BIOS
[19:51:45] <mru> this inits dram and loads the full u-boot
[19:51:55] <mru> u-boot then sets up things like pin mux
[19:51:56] <ds2> PC BIOS doesn't init truely external memory
[19:52:04] <mru> and finally loads the kernel
[19:52:23] <mru> ds2: ps bios inits the main dram in the system
[19:52:46] <gandhijee_> ds2: PC BIOS always inits ram
[19:52:47] <ds2> mru: yes, and I argue that it is analogous to the ROM init'ing "SRAM"...
[19:52:53] <ds2> it is an SoC
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[19:53:13] <ds2> the motherboard needs in someway to map to the SoC
[19:53:15] <mru> I disagree
[19:53:22] <ds2> gandhijee_: not always
[19:53:28] <gandhijee_> example?
[19:53:31] <ds2> take the EMS memory boards of yesteryear
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[19:54:25] <gandhijee_> but those sat in like ISA slots didn't they?
[19:54:31] <mru> yes
[19:54:50] <mru> and the ISA bus maps into the processor address space
[19:54:56] <gandhijee_> so they aren't directly connected to the memory system, so the processor has to be made aware of extra memory have the init
[19:54:58] <mru> just a tad slower than directly attached ram
[19:55:02] <ds2> when they were used, the systems didn't have or are capable of using PCI, etc.
[19:55:34] <ds2> ISA is more or less an subset of the GPMC functionality
[19:56:12] <gandhijee_> i have no clue what GPMC is
[19:56:44] <ds2> something similar to the ISA ;)
[19:57:03] <gandhijee_> before my time i guess =/ and i'm getting kind of old
[19:57:21] <mru> anyhow, trying to describe a pc and an omap with common terms is not a very useful exercise
[20:01:02] <_av500_> no A20 gate...
[20:02:00] <gandhijee_> A20 = legacy
[20:02:42] <mru> shoehorning both systems into a single model will not help you understand either of them better
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[20:07:31] <gandhijee_> i am looking at it from a point of view of a non legacy embedded system.
[20:08:07] <gandhijee_> from that aspect IMO they can conform to a single model with the difference in processor instruction set.
[20:08:28] <mru> your opinion is flawed
[20:08:58] <gandhijee_> thats great you think that, are you aware that arm systems can now also run UEFI?
[20:09:13] <mru> you can put uefi on anything you like
[20:09:16] <_av500_> yes, CPUs can run SW
[20:09:22] <_av500_> news at 11
[20:09:52] <gandhijee_> people can speak
[20:11:13] <_av500_> so then, the omap4 is a PC with the ARM instruction set
[20:11:20] <_av500_> if that helps
[20:11:45] <mru> I don't see any acpi on omap4
[20:12:14] <gandhijee_> *yet*
[20:12:25] <mru> _omap4_ won't have it ever
[20:12:36] <gandhijee_> omap is arm derived.
[20:12:41] <_av500_> legacy...
[20:12:46] <gandhijee_> if you TI wants Win8 on omap it will be there.
[20:12:54] <gandhijee_> no APM is legacy, ACPI is not
[20:12:57] <mru> but that won't be omap4
[20:13:02] <_av500_> mru: it will
[20:13:10] <_av500_> sad as it is
[20:13:16] <mru> new rom?
[20:13:19] <gandhijee_> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/10/16/3
[20:13:36] <_av500_> mru: nope
[20:13:47] <mru> then it's not part of the omap4
[20:13:52] <noname^^> microsoft will probably standardize the ARM industry around some specification like they did with the PC in the late 80s/early 80s
[20:13:53] <noname^^> 90s
[20:13:58] <noname^^> sad but true
[20:14:19] <mru> assuming windows-running arm devices become popular at all
[20:15:02] <_av500_> what google started, M$ will end
[20:15:14] <noname^^> they will when they undercut the android devices with 30%
[20:15:21] <prpplague> gandhijee_: win8 is already announced with omap4
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[20:15:38] <noname^^> hell, people will buy discount microsoft devices and put android on them. but that won't show up in the company sales figures
[20:15:44] <mru> I'm sure win8 can be run without acpi with a little effort
[20:16:12] <_av500_> noname^^: I bet buying android devices to run android on them will be cheaper
[20:16:20] <prpplague> noname^^: rumor has it that ms is going to do secure boot on arm similar to the secure boot they have planned for PC's
[20:16:32] <_av500_> of course
[20:16:37] <noname^^> _av500_, hell no, not when microsoft is paying the manufacturer
[20:16:44] <mru> but if you're building an android device there's no reason to care
[20:16:46] <noname^^> prpplague, yeah
[20:16:58] <mru> secure boot only matters if you're designing a device to run windows
[20:17:03] <gandhijee_> prpplague, no rumor its going to happen. the insyde guys claim you should be able to turn it off. but from the docs that i've seen MS doesn't let you turn it of.
[20:17:36] <mru> and that affects my new android phone how?
[20:17:43] <_av500_> mru: google enforces secure boot even on android
[20:17:55] <mru> something else then
[20:17:57] <_av500_> for leet netflix DRM and suh
[20:18:00] <_av500_> such
[20:18:18] <_av500_> and manuf will be lazy and will be implementing one HW scheme only
[20:18:59] <gandhijee_> hmm should ubuntu put out some status message over the console port?
[20:19:11] <noname^^> mru, I'm not sure what you're getting at. what devices device manufacturers make money from unavoidably helps shape the future of devices and architectures
[20:19:31] <mru> currently the money is not being made from windows devices...
[20:20:00] <mru> if you're not intending for a device to run windows, there's no reason to follow microsoft's rules
[20:20:18] <noname^^> who's "you"?
[20:20:27] <_av500_> gandhijee_: no, that is legacy to them
[20:20:35] <mru> noname^^: anyone making gadgets
[20:21:42] <noname^^> well people making gadgets will love if there's a standardized platform they can manufacturer for and guarantee that the target operating system will play nice with
[20:22:20] <mru> and if the target os is not windows, they won't care about secure boot
[20:22:34] <noname^^> because android/linux will start supporting it
[20:22:50] <mru> and the engine controller in your car runs either of those?
[20:23:08] <noname^^> linux? maybe
[20:23:11] <noname^^> if I had a car xD
[20:23:12] <mru> oh no
[20:23:25] <mru> you do not run linux on such systems
[20:23:35] <noname^^> http://www.slideshare.net/fscons/embedding-linux-for-an-automotive-environment
[20:24:00] <_av500_> google mandates to ship with DRM, but allows to unlock bootloader if you t the same time hide/destroy the drm keys
[20:24:17] <_av500_> i fear that lazy manufs will implement the former only
[20:25:54] <mru> noname^^: is that supposed to contain any information?
[20:26:31] <mru> of course you can run linux on non-critical user interface parts
[20:30:01] <hjf288> mman i wish linaro would ship prebuilt images WITH the HWPack included.. -_-ll
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[20:30:36] <_av500_> that would be too convenient
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[20:31:24] <noname^^> mru, well, it proves that the automotive industry is using linux
[20:31:34] <mru> I never said the didn't
[20:31:45] <mru> I said they don't run linux on the engine controller
[20:32:22] <noname^^> and if standardized, low-power components are mass produced, they become very cheap
[20:32:37] <noname^^> and no company is a stranger to saving money
[20:33:18] <mru> let me rephrase: if you're building a device to run something non-windows, why would you build it such that it can only run windows?
[20:33:53] <noname^^> why are you asking this question?
[20:34:40] <mru> in an attempt to get the point across
[20:34:44] <mru> apparently if failed
[20:35:01] <noname^^> if you're a chip maker you develop the chips so they CAN run windows. what the specific devices use is not important
[20:35:22] <mru> but if the chip is capable of running anything, what's the problem?
[20:35:26] <noname^^> they can use whatever operating system they like. it's just that if those devices are to run windows, they (the devices) have to be windows only
[20:35:30] <noname^^> not hte chip or the specification
[20:36:07] <mru> so.. if you don't want to run windows on your phone, don't buy a phone with windows
[20:36:10] <noname^^> problem? there's no problem. I'm just saying that microsoft will have the industry standardized around a (their) specification
[20:36:15] <mru> is that too straight-forward?
[20:36:55] <mru> if you want to run your car on petrol, don't buy a diesel
[20:37:37] <noname^^> why are you telling me these things? have you confused me with someone else you had an argument with earlier? I don't get it...
[20:37:49] <mru> you're the one who started arguing
[20:38:04] <mru> maybe you confused yourself with someone else
[20:38:37] <noname^^> I'm not arguing with anyone! I just made a statment that microsoft will standardize the arm industry much like they did the PC-industry. after that you started telling me weird stuff
[20:39:25] <mru> so you think they'll run windows on the engine controllers?
[20:39:49] <noname^^> no, but the chip makers will develop chips that CAN run windows, and they will be super mass produced
[20:39:53] <noname^^> and be really cheap
[20:40:06] <noname^^> and run whatever operating system that can run on that specific, wide spread standard
[20:40:12] <mru> if you are building engine controller chips, you do not give a fuck about windows
[20:40:12] <noname^^> so the car manufacturers will buy them
[20:40:26] <noname^^> because of the price/performance ratio obv
[20:40:30] <mru> same for any industrial application
[20:40:55] <noname^^> so you agree then?
[20:40:58] <mru> no
[20:41:00] <noname^^> haha, ok
[20:41:05] <noname^^> whatever, let's agree to disagree
[20:41:10] <mru> the vast majority of ARM chips are nowhere near windows
[20:42:03] <mru> if, and only if, windows should become popular on phones, they might influence the _phone_ chip designs
[20:42:28] <noname^^> I'm betting they're putting their money on pads
[20:42:39] <mru> same thing
[20:42:42] <noname^^> same chips though
[20:42:43] <noname^^> yeah
[20:43:01] <mru> and those chips are totally unsuitable for industrial control applications, for example
[20:43:26] <noname^^> what, you don't want to play h. 264 video on your chain saw? :P
[20:43:59] <noname^^> I guess it depends on what kind of HMI we'll see on those type of devices in the future
[20:46:40] <_av500_> on a chain saw, the HMI is the chain
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[20:47:18] <noname^^> _av500_, haha
[20:47:43] <_av500_> but maye it will chain boot windows
[20:48:06] <noname^^> :PP
[20:52:04] <_av500_> windows on arm is the same as linux on PC, a bargain to get intel to reduce chip prices
[20:52:27] <_av500_> like linux on netbook made M$ sell XP cheap
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[20:52:40] <noname^^> x86 isn't really awesome with mobile applications though
[20:52:47] <_av500_> why?
[20:52:57] <_av500_> it has no mobile instructions?
[20:53:06] <noname^^> I have no idea about any of the specifics but I've never seen any x86 phones
[20:53:17] <noname^^> part from that nokia from 91 or whatever xD
[20:53:25] <Crnkoj> hey guys jsut wanted to say, i managed to get omapfb to run on gentoo for x-server
[20:54:04] <Crnkoj> it all came don to the wrong omapfb driver enabled in the kernel (omap-drm)
[20:55:00] <_av500_> DRM is to be blamed again :)
[20:55:13] <gandhijee_> medfield is what intel is trying to use for the mobile devices.
[20:55:14] <Crnkoj> ye, well it is in the staging drivers and labeled experimental :D
[20:55:35] <gandhijee_> the console port that is on the pandaboard is ttyO?
[20:57:29] <Crnkoj> btw guys if anyone from "pandaboard support" is here, the ES needs a heatsink for the ram/cpu combo shipped with it, i attached one myself and its still terribly hot
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[21:12:50] <gandhijee_> hey, what params to i need to pass mkimage to make a script for uboot on the pandaboard?
[21:16:50] <_av500_> none
[21:16:57] <_av500_> use a current uboot and uEnv.txt
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[21:18:13] <gandhijee_> _av500_, wrong answer, just found it - mkimage -A arm -T script -C none -n "Pandaboard boot script" -d boot.script boot.scr
[21:19:05] <gandhijee_> my question is why am i not getting console output on the serial port. i guess that the port isn't ttyS2
[21:19:15] <_av500_> old uboot ftw
[21:19:27] <_av500_> gandhijee_: ubuntu has no console output
[21:19:31] <gandhijee_> this is the ubuntu 11.10
[21:19:33] <_av500_> only the server version
[21:19:39] <_av500_> which has no X11 in return
[21:19:43] <_av500_> you cannot have both
[21:19:46] <gandhijee_> _av500_, wrong again
[21:20:09] <gandhijee_> have debug messages output via serial and a X display is a valid configuration
[21:20:22] <mru> not in ubuntu
[21:20:26] <gandhijee_> you can have the kernel messages come out over serial
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[21:20:29] <_av500_> you broke it
[21:20:38] <gandhijee_> sure, whatever.
[21:20:43] <_av500_> or at least voided the warranty
[21:20:54] <mru> avoid the warranty
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[21:21:47] <gandhijee_> yes, exactly. because the uboot params spec ttyS2, and i already asked which port the physical connector on the board maps too. ( ttyO0 to O3, which is the one with the physical connector)
[21:21:55] <gandhijee_> which means i broke the board
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[21:26:07] <robclark> ttyO2 (note: letter O, not digit 0)
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[21:27:21] <gandhijee_> thank you robclark
[21:27:30] <robclark> no prob
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[21:31:58] <gandhijee_> hmm that seemed to kind of work... i threw out a buncha garbage.....
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[21:32:37] <gandhijee_> strange, threw out trash at the start, now justa buncha msgs about dmi-audio-codec
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[21:35:08] <Crnkoj> hey guys i would like to use the secondary DVI-D output on the pandaboard, which driver needs to be selected or deselected int eh kernel to work on boot ?
[21:37:31] <prpplague> Crnkoj: secondary dvi-d?
[21:37:39] <prpplague> Crnkoj: panda only has one dvi-d outpit
[21:37:41] <prpplague> output
[21:37:53] <Crnkoj> well yes the DVI-D output, i refered to it as the secondary since the HDMI is the primary
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[21:38:07] <Crnkoj> sorry for the confusing statement
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[21:41:30] <Crnkoj> so any knowledge about outputting to the primary DVI-D ?
[21:43:29] <prpplague> Crnkoj: it all depends on which kernel version you are using, what distro your are running, and what you want to do with it
[21:43:35] <gandhijee_> another question. my ubuntu was working with keyboard and mouse on ubuntu. but it just stopped, i can see the cursor move inside X windows, but i cant really click anything. also the keyboard doesn't seem to work. i can see that the kerenl is picking up the devices and is seeing the input from the keyboard and mouse
[21:43:51] <prpplague> Crnkoj: you can pass command line boot args to set it on most prebuilt kernel distros
[21:44:35] <Crnkoj> prpplague running the TI-omap ubuntu 3.2.1 kernel and gentoo, as the system, i have all working now over hdmi (x-server omapfb and so on), but would like to use the DVI-D port because my monitor doesnt give out the right EDID on HDMI
[21:44:57] <prpplague> Crnkoj: then i'd ask over in gentoo
[21:45:41] <Crnkoj> so you say i should set teh boot.scr args to output to DVI-D, how should that arg look like ?
[21:46:11] <Crnkoj> prpplague ye thats harder since noone ahs a pandaboard and besides its generally the same over all distros to get output to one or the other output at boot
[21:47:13] <prpplague> Crnkoj: generally yes, but not nessarilly
[21:47:21] <prpplague> Crnkoj: might ask over in #ubuntu-arm
[21:47:40] <Crnkoj> ye ok thanks
[21:48:06] <Crnkoj> ill reform the question, does anyone here run the DVI-D port on the pandaboard at boot as the first screen output ?
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[21:51:28] <prpplague> Crnkoj: yes
[21:52:18] <Crnkoj> prpplague so you are, do you run it by means of boot args in boot.scr or by means of enabling/disabling certain drivers in the kernel?
[21:52:54] <prpplague> Crnkoj: i set the default display device in the panda machine file
[21:53:07] <prpplague> Crnkoj: but you can pass the command as a boot arg
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[21:53:33] <Crnkoj> prpplague machine file ? how should the boot arg look like than ?
[21:53:53] <prpplague> Crnkoj: don't need any bootargs if you set it in the machine file
[21:54:05] <prpplague> Crnkoj: http://omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_FAQ#How_do_I_enable_DVI_output.3F
[21:54:20] <Crnkoj> prpplague ok, still i dont know what the machinefile is
[21:54:27] <Crnkoj> thank you
[21:54:53] <prpplague> Crnkoj: machine file is the .c file in the linux kernel that defines how the pandaboard is configured
[21:55:28] <Crnkoj> oh ok, maybe ill do that in a few months, when i know it better :D , so the link you gave me enables both hdmi and dvi-d at boot i assume
[21:56:19] <prpplague> Crnkoj: both are normally enabled on boot, but only one is the default display
[21:56:44] <Crnkoj> ah that makes it the default than i guess
[21:56:55] <prpplague> correct
[21:57:54] <Crnkoj> and if i remove the dvi-d bootarg it will make hdmi default again, i assume, secondly what does the MR-24 mean in here omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x1024MR-24@60 ?
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[21:58:57] <prpplague> http://omappedia.org/wiki/Bootargs_for_enabling_display#DSS_specific_bootargs
[21:59:15] <prpplague> Crnkoj: just fyi, you aren't the first to ask these questions, they are pretty well documented on the wiki
[21:59:43] <Crnkoj> yes i see, still the omapfb.mode isnt in the second link you gave (which i was looking at already)
[22:00:26] <prpplague> Crnkoj: uh what? i did not understand your statement
[22:00:38] <Crnkoj> eh nvm sorry, should set a bigger font ^ ^
[22:00:44] <Crnkoj> forget it didnt see it properly lol
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[22:03:08] <gandhijee_> Crnkoj, i have it running that way on my board. but i am using ubuntu.
[22:03:38] <Crnkoj> gandhijee_ye thanks, reading those boot args now, will do one soon and report back
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[22:05:30] <gandhijee_> but my system doesn't respond to input now for some reason =/
[22:05:47] <Crnkoj> lol
[22:05:58] <Crnkoj> i ahd that issue at first, had the kernel wrongly configured
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[22:06:20] <Crnkoj> i assume input form an usb mouse/keyboard ?
[22:06:27] <gandhijee_> well i am using the stock one, and it literally stopped working
[22:06:30] <gandhijee_> yeah
[22:06:43] <gandhijee_> system was working accepting input, rebooted. bam X no longer takes input
[22:06:56] <gandhijee_> but the kernel is seeing it from the devices.
[22:07:06] <Crnkoj> does net work ?
[22:07:06] <Crnkoj> are the leds on the eth port lit ?
[22:07:09] <Crnkoj> i havent had the power supplying driver for the usb/ethernet hub installed so it didnt work
[22:07:14] <Crnkoj> ah
[22:07:15] <Crnkoj> weird
[22:07:19] <gandhijee_> yeah net works,
[22:07:27] <prpplague> gandhijee_: double check to make sure you have a power supply that support enough current
[22:07:28] <gandhijee_> i can see the mouse cursor in X too
[22:07:34] <gandhijee_> prpplague, using the wall wart.
[22:07:43] <prpplague> gandhijee_: "the wall wart" ?
[22:07:48] <gandhijee_> 5v 3.6Amp
[22:07:58] <prpplague> should be good then
[22:08:09] <prpplague> custom kernel?
[22:08:12] <gandhijee_> nope
[22:08:40] <prpplague> gandhijee_: i'd ask over in #ubuntu-arm then
[22:09:00] <gandhijee_> only "custom" think i did was enable the serial output for kern msgs
[22:09:05] <gandhijee_> gonna remove that and see what happens
[22:10:29] <prpplague> gandhijee_: as boot args?
[22:10:33] <Crnkoj> btw prpplague i do assume those bootargs are good for teh 4460 aswell right ?
[22:10:39] <prpplague> yea
[22:10:44] <Crnkoj> k thanks
[22:11:57] <gandhijee_> prpplague, yes
[22:12:13] <gandhijee_> and apparently that was the problem...
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[22:42:34] <pbuckley> heya, has anyone got airplay working under ubuntu 11.10?
[22:43:02] <prpplague> pbuckley: might best ask in #ubuntu-arm
[22:43:22] <pbuckley> k ty
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[23:32:21] <Rey_> Hello
[23:32:42] <Rey_> I am considering buying a pandaboard as my only pc, is that a bad idea?
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[23:38:49] <prpplague> Rey_: unless you are doing some arm dev, it probably isn't a good idea
[23:40:40] <ds2> people used apple 1's as their only computer....
[23:42:15] <prpplague> ds2: but that had specific expectations
[23:42:19] <prpplague> s/that/they
[23:44:38] <Rey_> Okay thank you
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[23:47:55] <Crnkoj> hey guys what fps do you get with glxgears on your builds? i get a measly 26fps with omapfb
[23:48:34] <Crnkoj> on the stock size that is
[23:48:44] * prpplague assumes glxgears is some android test app
[23:48:52] <Crnkoj> linux
[23:48:56] <Crnkoj> its a mesa program
[23:49:10] <ds2> hehe
[23:49:11] <Crnkoj> for gentoo its in mesa-progs
[23:49:30] <ds2> are you SURE it is using mesa?
[23:49:32] <Crnkoj> x11-apps/mesa-progs
[23:50:00] <Crnkoj> ds2 i might not be, because if i do eselect mesa list i dont see anything omap related there
[23:50:23] <ds2> you do not want it to use mesa
[23:50:55] <Crnkoj> what do i want it to use than ? as far as i was using fb drivers for my pcs it uses mesa
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[23:51:08] <ds2> mesa is openGL emulation
[23:51:24] <Crnkoj> ye, obviously for fb you ahve to do that
[23:51:27] <ds2> unless mesa includes a GLES to GL emulator, it won't work (well?)
[23:51:46] <Crnkoj> i think it does
[23:51:47] <ds2> the HW on these SoC's are GLES so your demo program needs to be setup to use GLES
[23:53:49] <Crnkoj> ds2 i was looking in here http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/pandaboard/hwdrivers.xml and installed omapfb, since i didnt see that hardfloat pvr-omap4 drivers were around for gentoo, judging by the comment in green just under SGX, i woudl say mesa supports this
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[23:55:30] <ds2> mesa is emulation
[23:55:48] <Crnkoj> i understand that
[23:56:17] <Crnkoj> ds2 what setup would you suggest then ?
[23:56:29] <ds2> a custom one.
[23:56:30] <ds2> :D
[23:56:39] <Crnkoj> verywell this wont work
[23:56:42] <Crnkoj> :)
[23:58:00] <Crnkoj> anyhow im off
[23:58:01] <Crnkoj> gn
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