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[01:16:13] <mru> stable at 279MHz
[01:18:43] <topfs2> what have you done?
[01:18:52] <mru> messed with the clocks
[01:19:05] <topfs2> in hw or sw?
[01:19:20] <mru> rewiring silicon is hard...
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[01:20:27] <topfs2> who knows when you are playing ;)
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[01:38:23] <mru> so which is true? 1) TI has redefined the meaning of DDR clock frequency, or 2) Elpida makes memory that's stable 40% above rated speed
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[04:01:28] <ajray> anyone hook a pixel qi to a pandaboard yet?
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[05:11:33] <calculus> ajray: I think prpplague has, but you need something in between to talk lvds
[05:12:50] <calculus> ajray: http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/dfa891d9a2edfa03/9ec20218a950cdf6
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[05:53:24] <dancios> what compiler support hard fp ?
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[07:01:47] <wiljo> Is .config to build kernel for minimal-FS available somewhere?
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[07:08:42] <vishal_> hi
[07:09:24] <vishal_> hello
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[07:57:38] <ds2> has anyone worked out a good simple boost circuit with 4A+?
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[08:18:58] <ynezz> hm, I would like to see that 4A+ also :)
[08:19:55] <mru> I'm using a 3A PSU and it seems fine
[08:21:15] <ds2> bench PSU's are easy
[08:21:33] <ds2> spec'ing out magnetics for a 4A+ boost....
[08:23:01] <kraiskil> ds2 what do you need 4A for?
[08:23:34] <ds2> kraiskil: the reason for this channel.
[08:24:53] <kraiskil> ? Pandaboard draws 20W?
[08:25:10] <ds2> see FAQ.
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[08:28:22] <kraiskil> Yeah, I've seen that, and was wondering about that even then. Tought it was just overspecification :) Especially as the FAQ says the beagleboard recommended supply should be ok too. And that is 1,2A@5V...
[08:30:22] * kraiskil is adding a heatsink to my pandaboard order
[08:36:03] <mru> I doubt the panda gets anywhere near 4A
[08:36:12] <mru> certainly more than beagle though
[08:36:21] <ds2> the hub, WiFi, ethernet, and full sound might get near there
[08:36:53] <mru> wifi might use a bit
[08:37:02] <mru> the rest shouldn't be so much
[08:38:02] <ds2> I think that assumes the ports on the hub are all pull 500mA; there's a 4port on there, IIRC so that's 2A
[08:40:10] <mru> I think you might be right
[08:40:26] <mru> so it would be better to say 2A+peripherals
[08:40:47] <ds2> that's why I was asking for a power break down for that 4A figure
[08:41:29] <ds2> if we allow for the wilink, it would be about 1.5A for sound, processor, HDMI xmitter, and ethernet
[08:41:34] <kraiskil> 4 USB hosts? Spec says "2x USB 2.0 High-Speed host ports". I thought it meant just one host with two ports...
[08:42:02] <ds2> that'd put the processor at almost 0.8A on a worse case scenario which isn't great but not too horible either
[08:42:54] <kraiskil> yeah, it does add up then :)
[08:43:46] <ds2> hmm 4A+ switchers don't behave very nicely over its entire range :/
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[08:51:58] Hi all
[08:52:18] i have taken the source code of wlan driver from https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/release/+packages
[08:52:44] now i need to build that driver for panda board. so can any one help me how to build the wlan driver for OMAP4 panda bord ?
[08:58:56] <xranby> span: if you have unpacked the sourcecode on your pandaboard the tiwlan-wl1271-0.24.9 direcory and patched the sources using the http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57660888/tiwlan-wl1271_0.24.9-0ubuntu6.diff.gz then building the package are easy
[08:59:04] <xranby> cd into the directory
[09:00:04] <xranby> and type dpkg-buildpackage
[09:00:12] <xranby> to build the deb files
[09:01:39] <xranby> span: thats the ubuntu/debian way to build .deb files im still waiting for my panda board so i have not tested building and using the package myself
[09:03:15] xranby: but i found the know isssue for panda board which is "driver crash on panda bord on boot up"
[09:03:18] have look in http://omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Known_Issues#TI_WLAN_driver_crashed_at_bootup
[09:03:52] so i am confused that whtere my driver worked or not
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[09:04:10] <gnif> hi all
[09:05:13] <_av500_> mru: wrt clokc for the temp sens, just use the clock tool :)
[09:05:16] <gnif> i have a few q's regarding the panda-board, I received a board via the EAP but I am a little unclear on a few things
[09:05:59] <gnif> i understood that it has 1G of ram, yet the minimal linux example only allocates 512M
[09:06:25] <gnif> is this because it is an EA1?
[09:06:42] <mru> _av500_: :-)
[09:08:14] <xranby> span: you can run dmesg to see if the linux kernel have loaded the driver sucessfuly.
[09:08:25] <mru> _av500_: have you been able to run that thing at all?
[09:09:34] <_av500_> sure, on my windows pc :)
[09:09:51] <_av500_> i try to keep closed source crap mimited to one machine
[09:09:56] <_av500_> limited
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[09:15:26] xranby: actully i am unble to download the diff file you provided.. is there any way to get that file..
[09:17:34] * mru would still like a peek at the datasheet btw
[09:17:55] <ds2> you'd go blind if you did ;)
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[09:22:23] <mru> I'll take my chances
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[09:25:51] <_av500_> ds2: its deep down in a large bottle of bad moonshine?
[09:26:12] <ds2> Medusa E-paper
[09:26:47] <mru> http://xkcd.com/380/
[09:27:04] <_av500_> basilisk?
[09:27:16] <_av500_> right
[09:31:38] <xranby> span: you can alternatively get the sources by doing the following 1. add the tiomap-dev ppa repository to your pandaboard apt repositorys by running sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/release/ubuntu
[09:32:05] <xranby> span: 2. get the list os packages and soures from the ppa by running sudo apt-get update
[09:32:40] <xranby> span: 3. fetch the sources+patches into the current directory by running apt-get source tiwlan-wl1271
[09:33:21] <_av500_> for linux users, what is a ppa?
[09:34:23] <xranby> _av500_: ppa are ubuntu speak for Personal Package Archive and refer to community built packages hosted on http://ppa.launchpad.net/
[09:34:39] <_av500_> ah
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[09:54:40] <utp> hi all
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[11:16:43] <yrt> Can anyone explain why restriction for having 4GB mmc card for panda ?
[11:17:18] <mru> there is no such restriction
[11:17:19] <hrw> yrt: ubuntu?
[11:17:24] <hrw> [ 403.624694] omapdss DISPC error: GFX_FIFO_UNDERFLOW, disabling GFX
[11:17:24] <hrw> [ 403.694122] omapdss DISPC error: SYNC_LOST_DIGIT
[11:17:28] <hrw> this suxx
[11:22:48] <ogra_ac> known issue, being worked on
[11:23:48] xranby: thanks... i am trying your steps given some time before. Thanks
[11:25:37] <yrt> hrw: Yes I am using ubuntu
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[11:26:19] <hrw> yrt: if ubuntu then 4GB SD minimal
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[11:27:30] <ogra_ac> yrt, the uncompressed rootfs is about 2.2G big ... to have some space for working it needs to be bigger than 2G ... if you find a 3G card, feel free to use it
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[11:30:52] <ssvb> hrw: you can try these patches - http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/132ffdec2e51a88
[11:33:03] <yrt> ogra_ac: Thanks, Its clear to me now
[11:33:30] <yrt> I would like to check my gpio GPIO_171 (BOARD_ID2), GPIO_101 (BOARD_ID1), and GPIO_182
[11:33:37] <yrt> any /sys or /proc interfaces
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[11:47:53] <hrw> yrt: "for gpio in 171 101 182;do cat /sys/class/gpio/gpio$gpio/value;done"
[11:49:44] <yrt> does 750-2152-010 (ES2.1, 8-layer board)-Production board/PandaBoard Rev. A1 is available ?
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[12:01:52] <bernard_> yrt: what's the label on it?
[12:02:21] <bernard_> (i've got a board labelled EA1 but gives the same board id from the GPIOs as you)
[12:04:47] <mru> no ES2.1 label?
[12:05:04] <hrw> my does not have "es2.1" written on labels
[12:05:14] <bernard_> neither
[12:05:16] <mru> hrw: what board do you have?
[12:05:31] <mru> there are ~10 EA1 boards with ES2.1
[12:05:32] <hrw> mru: EA1 ES2.1 (according to gpio setup)
[12:06:09] <mru> I'd check the chip id directly
[12:06:13] <hrw> Assy: 750-2152-001 (D)
[12:06:23] <hrw> mru: tell me how and I will give you data
[12:06:42] <mru> TRM section 1.5
[12:07:29] <mru> read physical address 0x4A002204
[12:07:44] <hrw> devmem2 or uboot?
[12:07:49] <mru> doesn't matter
[12:08:06] <mru> top 4 bits give the chip version
[12:08:37] <hrw> Value at address 0x4A002204 (0x2aba9204): 0x1B85202F
[12:08:39] <bernard_> ES2.0 for me. bummer.
[12:08:46] <mru> hrw: that's ES2.0
[12:08:55] <hrw> mru: thx
[12:08:59] <_av500_> can i write 0xF0000000 to force upgrade?
[12:09:04] <mru> 2.1 would be 0x3B95C02F
[12:10:05] <mru> so the gpio test isn't reliable
[12:10:22] <_av500_> it is for gpios
[12:11:18] <hrw> es2.1 trm is available?
[12:11:22] <mru> yes
[12:11:43] <mru> http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/OMAP4430_ES2.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vM.zip
[12:12:05] <hrw> fetching
[12:12:26] <_av500_> not really :)
[12:13:30] <hrw> time to blog
[12:13:49] <_av500_> time to comment on hrw blog
[12:14:28] <hrw> ;D
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[12:28:35] <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/11/10/how-to-detect-pandaboard-version/
[12:28:48] <hrw> so...
[12:28:56] <hrw> TI: please fix your solder monkeys
[12:30:31] <ogra_ac> i think there is no massive difference between EA1 and A1 apart from the DVI port wiring
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[12:55:33] <bernard_> ogra_ac: and the ES2.1 silicon, which apparently (allegedly) can do 400MHz without drawbacks.
[12:56:25] <mru> it's not apparent to me
[12:57:13] <bernard_> mru: i put the "(allegedly)" in there just for you :)
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[12:58:01] * ogra_ac must say that his A1 doesnt really feel faster than the EA1
[12:58:03] <mru> if the defaults give 400MHz, my board is happily running at 560MHz
[12:58:08] <mru> and I find that unbelievable
[12:58:13] <bernard_> ogra_ac: The ES2.1 chip fixed this and is running fine at 400MHz on both
[12:58:14] <bernard_> channels. Its highly likely it will take a while for all fixes to
[12:58:19] <bernard_> gah. wrong paste.
[12:58:41] <bernard_> ogra_ac: http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/msg/bd03264b6b800900 ... "Its highly likely it will take a while for all fixes to propagate to all trees"
[12:58:57] <ogra_ac> yeah
[12:58:58] <bernard_> it's not entirely clear what the fixes are though.
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[12:59:10] <ogra_ac> i'm waiting for a new kernel ;)
[12:59:40] <hrw> ogra_ac: 2.6.37-rc1+huge-set-of-patches?
[12:59:49] <bernard_> wouldn't it more likely be an x-loader thing?
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[13:00:16] <ogra_ac> hrw, yeah, i know sebjan_ already works on something
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[13:11:35] * av500 cannot believe that these "fixes" need to propagate through trees
[13:11:46] <av500> a simple pastebin would be enough
[13:11:50] <mru> clock trees
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[13:14:15] <sniperjo> anyone know the operating temp for pandaboard?
[13:14:43] <av500> it works at room temperature
[13:15:29] <sniperjo> thats good to know
[13:16:22] <sniperjo> will it work in the cold ?
[13:16:43] <av500> one mans cold is another mans heat
[13:16:50] <av500> +'
[13:17:08] <sniperjo> -20 c
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[13:34:11] <armin76> ssvb: ping
[13:37:07] <armin76> ssvb: have you built stuff on the panda? gcc f.ex?
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[13:59:40] <ssvb> armin76: I did not do much compilation on the device itself and have not encountered this sigbus problem yet
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[14:47:13] <noleguy> morning
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[15:07:49] <Robin_Watts> Hi all. I've been borrowing a beagleboard for ages, and I may soon have to return it. I am therefore pondering buying my own one. But maybe I should be looking at a pandaboard instead?
[15:08:16] <av500> depends
[15:08:16] <Robin_Watts> Any advice/comments/suggestions you can offer would be much appreciated.
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[15:09:24] <jannau> Robin_Watts: there will be cases once the board is actually shipping
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[15:09:38] <av500> yes, it ships in a nice "case"
[15:09:46] <Robin_Watts> jannau: Wow. Hadn't actually typed the question yet :)
[15:09:52] <mru> panda is better, it comes in a black box
[15:09:56] <Robin_Watts> When is the board due to ship ?
[15:10:03] <av500> order date + ?
[15:10:07] <av500> roughly
[15:10:26] <jannau> Robin_Watts: I didn't wanted to answer that question in #beagle
[15:10:57] <Robin_Watts> Being as I am UK based, getting stuff imported is a pain in the ass.
[15:11:17] <av500> tell us about it
[15:11:46] <Robin_Watts> I am going to be visiting the US in early january, so ideally I want to have ordered the stuff I want before then so it can be delivered to the people I'm visiting, and I can carry it back.
[15:11:49] <av500> actually, the pain is to pay the vat...
[15:12:08] <av500> besides that, it just takes 1-2 days longer
[15:12:16] <mru> order it to a friend in the US and have him send it to you as a gift
[15:12:26] <Robin_Watts> mru: Even that doesn't always work.
[15:12:33] <merbzt> I have no friends
[15:12:34] <av500> that might cost more than digikey free shipping + vat
[15:12:35] <mru> it has a high chance of success
[15:13:04] <mru> or find someone who's traveling and willing to carry it
[15:13:12] * jannau didn't had to pay vat
[15:13:18] <mru> hmm, maybe there's money to be made smuggling pandas
[15:13:26] <av500> jannau: ?
[15:13:26] <Robin_Watts> As I say, I'm going in early january, and that's perfect timing for me.
[15:14:21] <Robin_Watts> But the attraction of being able to buy everything at once and have a nice case to keep it safe can't be overstated.
[15:14:22] <jannau> av500: for the panda
[15:14:51] <av500> jannau: lucky
[15:14:58] * mru neither
[15:15:08] <av500> Robin_Watts: not really
[15:15:44] <Robin_Watts> av500: maybe not for you.
[15:16:10] <mru> cases are overrated
[15:16:20] <jannau> av500: yes, especially since the EA1 pandas are more valueable
[15:16:31] <av500> Robin_Watts: see, outvoted :)
[15:16:56] <Robin_Watts> But for me, having a decent case is a priority (otherwise it'd get damaged in the pigsty of an office, or in a my suitcase)
[15:17:56] <ogra_ac> there is a nice breadbox case from prpplague that was exhibited at plumbers ;)
[15:18:01] <av500> Robin_Watts: http://www.google.com/images?q=butterbrotdose
[15:18:26] <av500> remove the sandwich 1st...
[15:18:29] <ogra_ac> heh
[15:18:47] <av500> and clean your office....
[15:18:56] <Robin_Watts> av500: Now, that's just crazy talk!
[15:19:40] <av500> http://elinux.org/Panda_Bamboo
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[15:21:49] <merbzt> mru: is R_ARM_MOVW_ABS_NC fixed in gcc ?
[15:24:38] <mru> is it broken?
[15:24:54] <merbzt> R_ARM_MOVW_ABS_NC relocation error
[15:25:06] <merbzt> when linking so's without fpic
[15:25:29] <mru> it used to be the dynamic loader that failed on those
[15:25:37] <mru> and they refused to fix it
[15:25:59] <av500> fPIC?
[15:26:25] <mru> -fpic and -fPIC are equivalent on all systems you're likely to ever care about
[15:26:50] <av500> on my PDP11?
[15:27:04] <mru> I don't think there's a difference there
[15:27:55] <ogra_ac> depends if its a micro or not i'd guess ;) micoe might need it non capitalized
[15:28:02] <ogra_ac> *micro
[15:28:12] <mru> "a micro"?
[15:28:20] <ogra_ac> PDP11 micro
[15:28:27] <ogra_ac> never hear of it ?
[15:28:32] <ogra_ac> *heard
[15:28:45] <dancios> is pandaboard on the market ? :D
[15:29:03] <av500> you can order at digikey
[15:29:09] <av500> it will be shipped eventually
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[15:30:01] <dancios> is anywhere gcc crosscompiler/compiler package with Hard FP to download ?
[15:31:01] <mru> build it yourself
[15:31:05] <mru> it's the only way to be sure
[15:32:47] <ogra_ac> debian has a hardfloat port in the works iirc they used the linaro gcc
[15:33:16] <ogra_ac> (ubuntu will implement HF over the next two releases too)
[15:35:04] <dancios> ogra_ac: is this debian port avaliable for download & testing ? (considering my own kernel compilation)
[15:35:27] <ogra_ac> ask markos (he is usually in #linaro)
[15:35:40] <hrw> or check debian-ports.org
[15:35:53] <ogra_ac> or that ;)
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[16:19:00] <try> any help for running 1080p video on panda
[16:19:08] <av500> try downhill
[16:19:40] * ogra_ac hasnt had any probs running them yet
[16:19:55] <try> av500: canu share link
[16:21:16] <jayabharath> CarsonLynn: Your PandaBoard should have been delivered yesterday.. did you get it?
[16:21:56] <try> have u tried with gst-launch or thru player? I could see bad perf with player (trying 1080p video from apple.com
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[16:22:22] <jayabharath> try: It should work fine though totem/movie player
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[16:23:13] <jayabharath> Running the 1080p video from apple.com website is not really good performance...
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[16:23:48] <try> jayabharath: Can u share any link for 1080p
[16:23:52] <try> video
[16:24:11] <jayabharath> http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/
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[16:25:40] <jayabharath> There are 2 known issue you must be aware of : command like startup of totem is more reliable... clips on USB storage give better performance (Ref: http://omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Known_Issues#HD_video_playback_via_Totem_seems_to_be_unstable )
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[16:28:25] <sakoman> jayabharath: does analog audio out work on Panda (i.e. the stereo mini jack)?
[16:28:36] <sakoman> my monitor doesn't do hdmi audio :-(
[16:28:46] <jayabharath> sakoman: yes it should indeed
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[16:29:08] <sakoman> hmmm . . . guess I better investigate why it doesn't work on mine!
[16:29:08] <jayabharath> However, on the record path there is a board HW bug.. we can only record mono
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[16:29:24] <quan> clear
[16:29:34] <sakoman> jayabharath: is the output jack top or bottom of the stack?
[16:30:18] <jayabharath> I would recommend you download test file system.. hook up the http://pandaboard.org/content/resources/troubleshooting -- and see if you can hear anything on the speaker/headset
[16:30:31] <sakoman> jayabharath: yeah, will do that
[16:30:31] <jayabharath> Actually I cant seem to remember :( - and am not close to a board at this time
[16:31:00] <robclark> jayabharath: apple.com trailers should play just fine.. they are pretty low bitrate / easy 1080p clips
[16:31:23] <robclark> if they are not playing well, you have something wrong.. like maybe not having the accelerated decoders installed
[16:32:01] <jayabharath> robclark: I see. Need to check with orbarron - we were doing that test on his setup - may be something was messed up on his end. Will try again later today
[16:32:33] <robclark> jayabharath: also, fwiw, there are some patches floating around that make the scaling work a bit better, so it is ok for hd clips if you don't have totem maximized..
[16:33:00] <robclark> yeah, definitely something wrong with orbarron's setup... omap4 yawns when playing apple trailer clips
[16:33:18] <jayabharath> nice
[16:33:30] * robclark has seen 2x apple trailer clips playing on two screens on blaze on es2.0 with slower memory interface
[16:33:44] <jayabharath> sakoman: Ref: http://omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_FAQ#When_I_record_audio_it_seems_to_be_in_mono_only.3F
[16:34:15] <jayabharath> The top jack of thhe audio tower is line-in , so your speakers go on the botton jack
[16:34:39] <prpplague> robclark: ping
[16:36:24] <robclark> prpplague: pong
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[16:42:41] <prpplague> robclark: hey, quick question
[16:42:51] <prpplague> robclark: i have two dss framebuffers
[16:43:41] <prpplague> robclark: is there an sysfs entry where i can have fb0 rotated 180, and fb1 at 0 and switch between them?
[16:44:17] <mru> turn the hdmi plug upside down
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[16:44:39] <ogra_ac> that requires hammering
[16:45:06] <av500> turn the tv upside down
[16:45:13] <robclark> prpplague: yes
[16:45:17] <mru> or your head
[16:46:11] <jayabharath> or your eyes ;)
[16:46:26] <robclark> prpplague: I guess it should be covered somewhere on http://omapedia.org/wiki/Bootargs_for_enabling_display
[16:46:54] <robclark> hmmm... errr.. well, I think for v4l2 they move the rotation to be one of the v4l2 ioctls..
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[16:51:57] <av500> robclark: hmm, is omapedia only for omap4?
[16:52:28] <robclark> hmm, prpplague, I wonder probably if you rotate dynamically, I wonder if things will be resized properly... I'm pretty sure X11 driver won't handle it properly currently
[16:52:52] <robclark> av500: I don't think so.. I think most of that should apply for omap3 too.. except only vrfb rotation instead of TILER rotation..
[16:53:17] <robclark> prpplague: btw, maybe there needs to be some bootarg or kernel option to put framebuffer in TILER too..
[16:53:17] <av500> well, it talks about zorder and 3 video overlays and does not mention omap4 vs omap3 at all
[16:53:57] <robclark> it wouldn't surprise me if it was last updated by someone working on omap4..
[16:54:28] <robclark> I guess it would be nice if it was a bit more clear about that sort of stuff
[16:54:35] <av500> robclark: it does not surprise me either, but ti should realize that existance of omapN does not make omapN-1 disappear overnight
[16:54:47] <mru> whoever designed the omap4 memory interface was spending too much time on clever acronyms and too little on making it work
[16:55:54] <robclark> av500: true.. but for a lot of the developers, omap3 is a distant memory by now.. it isn't a good thing, but I don't have time to fix everything myself..
[16:56:23] <robclark> maybe jayabharath can pester the display team
[16:56:47] <jayabharath> started a email already to the display folks
[16:56:53] <av500> robclark: i understand and do not blame you. I just pointed it out because I dont see that for the 1st time
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[16:57:38] <robclark> there is not enough focus on having same team working on different generations of platform... you can see the same thing too if you try and get same kernel working on omap3 and omap4 :-/
[16:57:41] <jayabharath> av500: it's a system problem we have here.. engineers only see to see stuff from the point they are working on 'now'... and not all engineers are engaged in working on these public documentation
[16:58:02] <av500> jayabharath: i know that too well :)
[16:58:18] * jayabharath puts on mru's hat... and starts firing engineers at TI
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[16:59:54] <mru> jayabharath: btw, I managed to coerce the ddr clock up to 280MHz (or 560MHz by your reckoning)
[17:00:18] <mru> I simply don't believe that 400MHz-rated memory can run at 560MHz without issue
[17:00:33] <mru> if it could, they'd be selling it as 533MHz instead
[17:00:51] <jayabharath> There is something really spooky going on with the memory i/f
[17:01:06] <mru> you don't say...
[17:01:06] <av500> mru: well, lpddr3 is sold at 533
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[17:01:11] <av500> err, lpddr2
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[17:01:22] <mru> av500: not this chip
[17:02:15] <mru> btw, what's the max clock for L3?
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[17:05:46] <try> for 1080p video , Audio is audible from audio port or TV
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[17:07:20] <try> for 1080p video , Audio is audible from audio port or TV
[17:08:15] <jayabharath> try: it depends on how you have configured your system setup and audio configuration... are you using ubuntu or some other environment?
[17:08:38] <try> i m using ubuntu
[17:08:47] <mru> if I had a penny for everytime they say ubuntu...
[17:08:49] <try> help to setup for HDMI to TV
[17:08:57] <ogra_ac> ubuntu
[17:08:58] <ogra_ac> ubuntu
[17:08:58] <ogra_ac> ubuntu
[17:08:59] <ogra_ac> ubuntu
[17:09:00] <ogra_ac> ubuntu
[17:09:10] <mru> jayabharath: repeat after me: ubuntu is not upstream
[17:09:10] <ogra_ac> 5 pennies for you
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[17:09:34] <mru> backwater would be a more accurate description...
[17:09:55] <mru> or should I say more apt...
[17:09:59] <ogra_ac> mru, you are free to port the 1400 patches upstream
[17:10:14] <ogra_ac> i guess linus would be grateful
[17:10:14] <mru> ogra_ac: that is your fucking job, get it!!!!???!?
[17:10:21] <ogra_ac> nope, it isnt
[17:11:09] <mru> you're the ubuntu guy, no?
[17:11:12] <av500> mru: I dont care for ubu patches at all, I care for TI to provide a working kernel to upstream
[17:11:25] <av500> and going via ubu is wrong imho
[17:11:26] <mru> av500: of course
[17:11:30] <mru> and agreed
[17:11:40] <ogra_ac> mru, yes, and why does that make me responsible for doing TIs work ?
[17:11:47] * sakoman agrees too
[17:11:50] <av500> so dont shout at ogra_ac, shout at ti
[17:11:57] <mru> I'm shouting at both
[17:12:08] <ogra_ac> because you can ?
[17:12:32] <mru> because I believe it has a greater chance of success than not shouting
[17:12:39] * sakoman thinks that TI figured hiring Canonical was the same as upstreaming
[17:12:39] <ogra_ac> nah
[17:12:55] <mru> sakoman: I think you're right
[17:13:01] <jayabharath> IMHO you guys are a bit confused
[17:13:07] <ogra_ac> Ti has contracts with linaro for that
[17:13:13] <mru> linaro == ubuntu
[17:13:17] <av500> jayabharath: we are professionall confused
[17:13:18] <jayabharath> We use ubuntu as a validation envinroment.. not a mechanism to upstream anything
[17:13:18] <ogra_ac> right
[17:13:20] <mru> jayabharath: care to enlighten us
[17:13:21] <mru> ?
[17:13:27] <ogra_ac> and ubuntu != upstreaming factory
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[17:13:46] <sakoman> jayabharath: I thought the omapzoom kernel was for validation
[17:13:48] <rsalveti> linaro != ubuntu
[17:13:52] <mru> jayabharath: that's just as wrong imo
[17:13:55] * sakoman ducks & runs
[17:14:00] <ogra_ac> rsalveti, yeah, i misread ;)
[17:14:01] <jayabharath> ubuntu was never good at upstreaming .. using that as a mechanism for pushing upstream would be a BAD idea ;0
[17:14:09] <rsalveti> and they got ubuntu to do mainly the distro work
[17:14:10] <av500> jayabharath: maybe, do what you like but stop telling people "look at ubuntu"
[17:14:17] <rsalveti> it's not a problem to have a kernel now that only works at ubuntu
[17:14:21] <rsalveti> while they do the work upstream
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[17:14:24] <rsalveti> at the same time
[17:14:25] <jayabharath> indeed.. omapzoom 'kernel'
[17:14:28] <av500> rsalveti: it is
[17:14:36] <rsalveti> our kernel doesn't have the same quality as it should have with upstream
[17:14:53] <mru> so it's a bad reference
[17:14:54] <rsalveti> why? we're ok to ship a different kernel tree that would work better for panda than upstream
[17:15:14] <jayabharath> av500: what other option do you recommend I tell people for a full stack on OMAP4... ?
[17:15:22] <ogra_ac> mru, "about everything works" is a bad reference ?
[17:15:23] <jayabharath> not just kernel
[17:15:26] <rsalveti> and as a reference, ti is working mainly with the 35 kernel, we're just using that tree as reference at ubuntu
[17:15:30] <rsalveti> ubuntu is not doing kernel work here
[17:15:35] <mru> jayabharath: we're only asking for a kernel
[17:15:37] <sakoman> the main issue is that the kernel upstreaming is happening at a snails pace
[17:15:48] <rsalveti> sakoman: sure
[17:15:53] <jayabharath> that's a bit narrow view to only look at kernel!
[17:15:54] <av500> jayabharath: we only care for kernel mainly
[17:15:59] <rsalveti> it's easier to have your own tree, that's why we're stuck with the 35
[17:16:02] <sakoman> and it isn't clear whose responsibiity it is
[17:16:04] <mru> userspace is trivial
[17:16:06] <jayabharath> ofcourse we all do care about mainling
[17:16:07] <av500> user land is stock armv7
[17:16:14] <rsalveti> and at the same time they are pushing things at l-o, but takes time
[17:17:04] <rsalveti> av500: we generally ask if people is using ubuntu because we know our tree work at some way
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[17:17:16] <rsalveti> it's tested and etc, so easier to understand the problems
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[17:17:32] <sakoman> rsalveti: understood. perhaps we all just aren't clear whose responsibility it is to get those thousands of patches squashed and submitted upstream
[17:17:40] <rsalveti> it's ti
[17:17:44] <rsalveti> ubuntu has nothing to do with it
[17:17:50] <sakoman> but *who* at TI?
[17:17:51] <av500> rsalveti: fine with me, I still want ti to refer people to a ti hosted kernel where all the integration is going on
[17:17:55] <ogra_ac> TI in cooperation with linaro
[17:17:56] <rsalveti> ti is working alone and with linaro to make that work
[17:18:01] <sakoman> mru needs someone to yell at and fire!
[17:18:03] <jayabharath> there is no question that the job to upstream omap support likes solely with ti
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[17:18:16] <rsalveti> av500: linux omap is the tree you want
[17:18:27] <ogra_ac> sakoman, well, he refuses to /join #linaro for that ;)
[17:18:32] <ogra_ac> i tried that before
[17:18:37] <av500> rsalveti: right, so I hope I will see it refered to more often then :)
[17:18:52] <mru> and patches being made against it
[17:18:58] <av500> yep
[17:19:06] <sakoman> av500: unfortunately l-o just doesn't work on OMAP4 now
[17:19:07] <mru> like in the good old omap3 days
[17:19:11] <av500> sakoman: lol
[17:19:11] <rsalveti> I'm also not happy with the current state, and we're all wondering if TI is actually moving the patches upstream
[17:19:25] * av500 glares at TI
[17:19:50] * ogra_ac is happy with the current state since he cares about working binaries :P
[17:19:51] <jayabharath> I whole heartely agree with you folks.. our upstreaming machine is still very crappy!
[17:20:01] * sakoman senses a bit of frustration with the state of the OMAP4 kernel efforts :-)
[17:20:12] <mru> ogra_ac: you're ubuntu, of course you're happy that ti are doing your job
[17:20:38] <rsalveti> mru: ti is not doing our job
[17:20:39] <mru> jayabharath: I'm frustrated because with omap3 it was actually working quite well
[17:20:43] <mru> omap4 is a disaster
[17:20:44] <rsalveti> because this is not our main job
[17:20:47] <ogra_ac> mru, if TI would be able to do my job, why do you think i do it for them ?
[17:20:58] <jayabharath> mru: when did OMAP3 come out?
[17:21:06] <ogra_ac> just because they need to burn money ?
[17:21:13] <jayabharath> 1st partches I believ were submitted 3+ yrs back
[17:21:13] <mru> jayabharath: 2008
[17:21:22] <jayabharath> pre-silicon dev
[17:22:15] <av500> jayabharath: actually, for android TI *will* have to give me a working kernel :)
[17:22:28] <av500> you cant refer to ubuntu there :)
[17:22:36] <rsalveti> it'll be similar to what happened with ubuntu
[17:22:43] <ogra_ac> right
[17:22:48] <jayabharath> So you cant really compare a old & mature product with the currently under development work
[17:22:51] <ogra_ac> the kernels even wont differ much
[17:22:52] <rsalveti> they will give you a 35 tree, with tons of patches that are not upstream
[17:23:05] <mru> jayabharath: I'm talking about how the omap3 kernel was developed in 2008
[17:23:07] <jayabharath> av500: what's the issue with Android kernel...? You should have .35 based kernel
[17:23:10] <mru> when I first got involved
[17:23:13] <av500> bbl
[17:23:18] <mru> before beagle went on sale
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[17:23:44] <mru> nobody so much as whispered ubuntu then
[17:23:51] <jayabharath> beagle & omap35xx came a lot later in the game after OMAP3 development efforts.. they had a advantage that a lot of prior work was done
[17:23:51] <mru> everything went to linux-omap
[17:24:09] <rsalveti> mru: not at the first moment
[17:24:13] <jayabharath> yeah ... to be very frank.. thats because Nokia was helping us.. we still sucked at upstreaming then
[17:24:14] <jayabharath> :D
[17:24:15] <rsalveti> they had their own tree and tarball
[17:24:31] <rsalveti> that people used to work with, before actually having a working linux omap based tree
[17:24:46] <rsalveti> so it's kind of the same situation here
[17:24:50] <mru> it was nevertheless a generic kernel
[17:24:55] <mru> not a distro-specific one
[17:25:04] <rsalveti> well, we also have this now
[17:25:04] <mru> with 10k unrelated patches
[17:25:05] <ogra_ac> mru, do you want us to say ubuntu more in #beagle ?
[17:25:09] <ogra_ac> we can surely do that
[17:25:10] <rsalveti> it's the one we use as base at ubuntu
[17:25:12] <mru> ogra_ac: fuck off
[17:25:47] <rsalveti> mru: http://dev.omapzoom.org/?p=integration/kernel-omap4.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/L24.11
[17:25:49] <jayabharath> mru: relax bud & be gentle..
[17:25:59] <mru> jayabharath: not with ubuntu trolls
[17:26:00] <rsalveti> this tree is mainly the one used as reference by ubuntu
[17:26:23] <mru> rsalveti: yes, and that tree works reasonably well
[17:26:25] <rsalveti> we did some work to make it more stable at ubuntu, and the patches are also sent to the integration tree maintained by TI
[17:26:45] <jayabharath> mru: http://omappedia.org/wiki/Kernel_and_bootloader_Source_Trees
[17:26:57] <mru> jayabharath: why isn't that linked from pandaboard.org?
[17:27:12] <rsalveti> mru: for me we're in a quite similar situation as omap 3
[17:27:14] <rsalveti> what's bad, we'll know
[17:27:18] <jayabharath> it's linked from http://omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard
[17:27:24] <mru> that's not pandaboard.org
[17:27:37] <mru> and it doesn't link there either
[17:28:14] <mru> pandaboard.org only mentions ubuntu and android
[17:28:25] <mru> and I find that offensive
[17:28:35] <rsalveti> but it's not ubuntu's fault
[17:28:43] <rsalveti> we're not maintaining that website
[17:28:44] <mru> of course it is ubuntu's fault
[17:28:54] <jayabharath> mru: dont take offense.. real developers dont use websites that why we have the wiki :D
[17:28:56] <rsalveti> why? doesn't make sense
[17:29:08] <jayabharath> anyway let me fix the website and link to this
[17:29:11] <mru> jayabharath: but how am I supposed to find the real websites?
[17:29:16] <jayabharath> google.com
[17:29:17] <rsalveti> it seems that website was created more for first time users than real developers
[17:29:25] <jayabharath> rsalveti: indeed
[17:29:28] <ogra_ac> as ubuntu images
[17:29:34] <mru> going to the url _printed on the board_ seems rather obvious to me...
[17:29:46] <jayabharath> yep.. thats for first time folks
[17:29:46] <rsalveti> mru: not everyone wants to do kernel work
[17:29:57] <mru> what non-developers do you expect to be buying pandas?
[17:30:01] <rsalveti> that's why we have omappedia
[17:30:08] <mru> rsalveti: everybody wants a working kerneol
[17:30:14] <mru> -o
[17:30:29] <rsalveti> I know, but it's normal for people to not really care if they can use a working distro kernel
[17:30:39] <rsalveti> if they just want to do userspace work
[17:30:57] <mru> ramming ubuntu down their throats is still rather rude
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[17:31:13] <rsalveti> because it's a working solution for normal users
[17:31:14] <ogra_ac> ramming ?
[17:31:24] <rsalveti> soon we'll have more supported distros
[17:31:24] <ogra_ac> you really overrecat
[17:31:28] <rsalveti> and it'll be the same way
[17:31:30] <ogra_ac> *react
[17:31:38] <rsalveti> you're not going to like it either
[17:31:47] <ogra_ac> he wont like any of them
[17:31:51] <ogra_ac> unless its LFS
[17:31:56] <mru> I want a kernel, not a distro
[17:32:18] <ogra_ac> and as you have been serveral times pointed out, there is a kernel tree
[17:32:31] <mru> I've asked TI for the IVAHD codecs and all they do is tell me to use the ubuntu image
[17:32:32] <rsalveti> mru: you're a specific case, that's why you can get to the ml or irc and ask the for the correct kernel sources and etc
[17:32:46] <jayabharath> mru: Chromes OS & MeeGo are in work and will be added (in the near future) to the getting started guides.. just because to had a hate relationship toward ubuntu seems to cloud your judgement
[17:32:58] <rsalveti> mru: mostly because it's the only working solution atm
[17:33:11] <mru> jayabharath: it doesn't matter which distros you provide images for
[17:33:13] <ogra_ac> and its not hard to pull the sources
[17:33:15] <mru> they're all just as wrong
[17:33:17] <rsalveti> and it's easier to just grab it from there than from a TI website
[17:33:23] <mru> when what you should be providing is a bare kernel
[17:33:34] <mru> by all means provide distro images _also_
[17:33:41] <mru> for those who want them
[17:33:47] <mru> but that really is the job of each distro
[17:34:03] <jayabharath> mru: it doesent work like that.. what about toolchain, lib version dependencies.. it's not as easy and you think... especially when we mix source + binaries
[17:34:10] <robclark> mru / jayabharath: we do need some of the firmware available to download in unpackaged form, to make it easier for OE / gentoo / etc.. although I guess part of the issue is we probably don't have an infrastructure for that
[17:34:11] <mru> oh yes it is
[17:34:13] <rsalveti> mru: I agree with you, but people want to make it more user friendly than hacker friendly :-)
[17:34:25] <rsalveti> because panda is getting popular
[17:34:30] <mru> jayabharath: the kernel does not care what toolchain is used for userspace
[17:35:11] <jayabharath> mru: where does the GST, OMX code run in.. user space? ;0
[17:35:14] <mru> panda is a development board for crying out loud
[17:35:24] <mru> jayabharath: your point being?
[17:35:46] <_av500_> tc and libs do not matter foe e.g. ivahd
[17:35:48] <jayabharath> if you just need a source tar ball.. go to git.omapzoom.org
[17:35:51] <mru> why is it so hard to publish the raw libraries without .deb or .rpm wrappers?
[17:36:10] <_av500_> in src :)
[17:36:16] <ogra_ac> why is it so hard for you as a developer to build them ?
[17:36:22] <mru> build from what?
[17:36:39] <mru> so far nobody has been able to tell me where to get them
[17:36:40] <ogra_ac> the trees you have been pointed to several times within the last hour
[17:36:47] <mru> without getting a full ubuntu image and picking it apart
[17:37:28] <ogra_ac> ??
[17:37:34] <_av500_> where are ivahd src located?
[17:37:35] <mru> and if there's a problem, people just go "not using ubuntu? fuck off then"
[17:37:46] * ogra_ac wont point out the omappedia or git.ompazoom urls again
[17:38:00] <mru> those don't have ivahd source
[17:38:18] <jayabharath> no one will ever have IVHD sources .. not even ubuntu guys
[17:38:23] <_av500_> and m3 blobs
[17:38:24] <jayabharath> so whats you point mru
[17:38:35] <mru> jayabharath: so put some binaries up then
[17:38:44] <ogra_ac> why ?
[17:38:48] <mru> because I say so
[17:38:49] <ogra_ac> you say its for devs
[17:38:57] <ogra_ac> a dev should be able to build them
[17:39:04] <mru> because without them I am unable to do the job TI wants me to do
[17:39:06] <jayabharath> or unpack them ;0
[17:39:11] <ogra_ac> if she doesnt like to, she can use ubuntu ;)
[17:39:12] <mru> jayabharath: wrong answer
[17:39:28] <_av500_> user space src
[17:39:33] <mru> jayabharath: besides, I should have enough NDAs to get the source
[17:39:41] <rsalveti> mru: it's probably lack of proper infrastructure
[17:39:42] <jayabharath> NDA does not get your source
[17:39:48] <rsalveti> it's weird because we already have omappedia
[17:39:54] <mru> jayabharath: then what does it get me?
[17:39:55] <jayabharath> you need Software license agreement (SLA) in place
[17:39:55] <jannau> ogra_ac: so a dev is requirred to break into TI and get the IVAHD sources to be called a dev?
[17:39:57] <_av500_> hate typing in tram
[17:40:00] <mru> jayabharath: I have SLA
[17:40:02] <ogra_ac> jayabharath, well, its that special mru NDA ;)
[17:40:06] <jayabharath> just docs and stuff listed on NDA
[17:40:44] <mru> jayabharath: you should be able to look it up somewhere...
[17:40:55] <ogra_ac> jannau, that seems to be mru's definition
[17:41:11] <mru> a developer should be able to develop, no?
[17:41:16] <mru> currently I am not
[17:41:20] <jayabharath> mru: I have already looked at what you signed (with ASP guys)- dosent cover it .. let me touch base with you directly on that
[17:41:42] <mru> I signed something that said SLA at the top
[17:42:01] <jayabharath> mru: I see. was not aware of that will check into it
[17:42:14] <jayabharath> _av500_: user space sources are all at git.omapzoom.org.. what's the confusion?
[17:42:22] <_av500_> ok
[17:42:33] <_av500_> might be confusion
[17:43:24] <jayabharath> The 'only' sticky point is that finding the associated IVAHD binaries in tarball (i.e., non-rpm, .deb) package... this is possible to do
[17:43:51] <jayabharath> The only thing is we have to put some clickwrap wrapper onto the tarballs... some legal mumbo jumbo
[17:44:09] <jayabharath> BTW how does this work for beagleboard?
[17:44:25] <jayabharath> Do you have all the codecs somewhere?
[17:44:34] <_av500_> yes
[17:44:38] <jayabharath> where?
[17:44:41] <_av500_> wget from ti
[17:44:48] <jayabharath> I mean public
[17:44:55] <_av500_> or in images
[17:45:11] <_av500_> no click needed
[17:45:19] <jayabharath> do you have a URL?
[17:45:27] <_av500_> no
[17:45:35] <_av500_> its in oe iirc
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[17:45:57] <ogra_ac> which is ... a distro ... ??
[17:46:05] <_av500_> but click is fine for me
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[17:46:35] * sakoman is watching a DVD on Panda using a GNOME image he built
[17:46:41] <_av500_> ogra_ac: point being?
[17:46:42] <sakoman> sadly no audio
[17:47:01] <ogra_ac> _av500_, mru telling us it cant be a distro
[17:47:11] <jayabharath> he he :)
[17:47:46] <jayabharath> _av500_: do you mean it's built into angstrom filesystem
[17:47:50] <_av500_> ogra_ac: as said i can get them from ti
[17:48:00] <_av500_> bbl
[17:48:07] <_av500_> tram stop
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[17:48:36] <jayabharath> you can also get OMAP4 stuff from TI.. the point being what is available publically.. and how can we help the situation for all of us on PandaBoard... will help if we get to the root of this
[17:52:35] <mru> so you can publish a .deb w/o clickwrap but not .tar?
[17:52:37] <mru> wtf????
[17:52:57] <mru> .deb has a .tar inside
[17:53:06] <jayabharath> I find that there is some in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus/ -- how is this different from what we do wit ubuntu.. just that's it oe
[17:53:19] <mru> no, that's narcissus
[17:53:30] <jayabharath> mru: yes that's the case.. so what is preventing you from getting the .deb file.. and using it!
[17:53:32] <mru> if the oe builder can download the files, so can anyone
[17:53:42] <mru> jayabharath: I don't want to
[17:53:45] <mru> and shouldn't have to
[17:53:53] <jayabharath> mru: wrong answer
[17:53:57] <mru> it's a matter of principle
[17:54:06] <jayabharath> that your call indeed
[17:54:07] <sakoman> jayabharath: with OE there is a public recipe that contains the URL for the source/binary blobs
[17:54:32] <jayabharath> sakoman: yes... so you want a URL to the .deb pacakge?
[17:54:56] <mru> no
[17:54:59] <mru> a url to the .tar.gz
[17:55:11] <sakoman> jayabharath: no I would just like a web page on panda.org that lists the url's for all the interesting bits
[17:55:28] <jayabharath> sakoman: got it
[17:55:53] <sakoman> I don't want to have to go to a distro that I don't intend to use and figure out what package has the interesting bits and then have to pick it aprt to find out where they got them
[17:55:55] <jayabharath> mru: I dont want to go into a format discusssin.. it you need .tar.gz.. that shoudl be easy to host..
[17:56:03] <jayabharath> sakoman: got it
[17:56:07] <jayabharath> let fix that..
[17:56:17] <jayabharath> the only problem will be .. updating them regularly
[17:56:20] <mru> that's all I ever asked for
[17:56:37] <jayabharath> however, there are some gotchas
[17:56:47] <ssvb> jayabharath: are these binaries redistributable? and clearly allow repackaging (or at least not forbid it)?
[17:57:13] <jayabharath> We may not update them as often as the ubuntu stuff... as out internal cycles are month ubuntu stuff will be upated monthly.. but may be not the .tar.gz stuff
[17:57:22] <sakoman> ssvb: for beagle they eventually got to that place
[17:57:25] <jayabharath> Unless someone what to signup to help
[17:58:16] <jayabharath> ssvb: I dont know about redistributablitiy clauses for SGX & IVAHD stuff... WLAN/BT is redistributable
[17:58:19] <sakoman> jayabharath: I think the issue is that ubuntu gets special access to information -- those of use who are developing independently of Ubuntu suffer from a severe lack of information
[17:58:53] <jayabharath> sakoman: indeed.. that a problem with any option we choose.. we had same problem with OE/Poky in the past
[17:58:59] <sakoman> and it is annoying when we are told to go look at how ubuntu does it
[17:59:42] <jayabharath> I can understand.
[17:59:43] <sakoman> better to have a core source of the information that we can all go to
[18:00:33] <jayabharath> Ok.. I need you guys to test the pacakges once we have some ready.. sakoman, mru, _av500_ -- need your help on this..
[18:00:49] <sakoman> jayabharath: certainly!
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[18:04:12] <mru> jayabharath: why can't you publish primarily tar.gz and let ubuntu people do their packaging?
[18:04:42] <jayabharath> I would love to
[18:04:51] <mru> so what's stopping you?
[18:05:01] <jayabharath> it's a matter of internal nightmares.. and stupid processes
[18:05:05] <mru> the secret pact with ubuntu of course...
[18:05:09] <ogra_ac> ubuntu doesnt do the packaging
[18:05:11] <ogra_ac> TI does
[18:05:17] <mru> so I noticed
[18:05:19] <jayabharath> ogra_ac: yep
[18:05:23] <mru> but that's not how it should be
[18:05:53] <ogra_ac> mru, Ti wanting to work inside the ubuntu archive, thats exactly how it should be
[18:06:04] <ogra_ac> i agree that tarballs should be made available
[18:06:38] <mru> that is _not_ how it should be
[18:06:41] <ogra_ac> but for that exact case its the right approach TI took given that their target is to be ubuntu developers and do it in the archive
[18:06:47] <mru> that's disgusting favouritism
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[18:07:10] <ogra_ac> thats their choice
[18:07:21] <ogra_ac> and they are free to chose, arent they ?
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[18:07:31] <mru> and I'm saying it's the wrong choice
[18:07:37] <ogra_ac> its a valid concern that the tarballs arent available
[18:07:51] <ogra_ac> you want to dictate TI what they chose ?
[18:08:01] <jayabharath> mru: It was not my choice.. some dumb heads make such decisions
[18:08:13] <mru> jayabharath: I'm not holding you personally responsible
[18:08:15] <jayabharath> let's fix the tarball problem so we have a decent solution
[18:08:16] * ogra_ac doeswnt hink they are dumb heads
[18:08:29] <ogra_ac> right, fix the tarball issue
[18:08:37] <mru> jayabharath: but you're in vaguely the right direction
[18:08:50] <mru> I have nobody better to complain to
[18:09:06] * jayabharath feels important... just kidding :)
[18:09:15] <ogra_ac> if a vendor decides to work on distro support its the best they can do to become devs for that distro
[18:09:18] <mru> ogra_ac: how would you like it if they published only fedora rpms?
[18:09:25] <mru> and refused to talk to you
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[18:09:41] <ogra_ac> mru, i would have to live with it
[18:09:56] <mru> I bet you'd be complaining
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[18:10:10] <mru> probably ranting something about freedom too
[18:10:23] <pandi> whois mru
[18:10:28] <ogra_ac> mru, but thats not the point, as i said, not having tarballs isnt right (though you will find that all ubuntu packages have public upstream tarballs)
[18:10:44] <mru> except the TI ones
[18:12:28] <ogra_ac> https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/release/+packages
[18:12:38] <ogra_ac> every package there has a tarball
[18:12:50] <mru> then I conclude that the ivahd codecs aren't there
[18:12:54] <rsalveti> that happened for a very simple reason, project deadlines
[18:13:04] <rsalveti> ti people needed to make the image to work with maverick
[18:13:16] <rsalveti> and they first released as a deb to satisfy the project deadline
[18:13:20] <mru> why?
[18:13:26] <rsalveti> and not going over tar ball first
[18:13:33] <ogra_ac> becauser they chose to release with the ubuntu release
[18:13:34] <rsalveti> because it was easier for them
[18:14:00] <rsalveti> going over internal process, releasing tarball and then packaging wasn't enough to fit the deadline
[18:14:02] <ogra_ac> as there was a decision for using angstrom for beagle at some point
[18:14:19] <ogra_ac> and i guess you dont complain that koen has a job
[18:14:21] <rsalveti> that's why now we'll probably start seeing the tarballs around
[18:14:26] <ogra_ac> right
[18:14:37] <mru> koen does a good job
[18:14:48] <mru> he made a lot of things work much better
[18:15:02] <ogra_ac> we do as well, its really a matter of perspective
[18:15:13] <ogra_ac> koen made life better for you
[18:15:15] <mru> he made sure there were proper tarballs with proper makefiles
[18:15:21] <ogra_ac> i make life better for mys mom
[18:15:22] <mru> ubuntu can use those too
[18:15:23] <ogra_ac> *my
[18:15:26] <jayabharath> mru: FYI - koen is kind enough to be helping us enable Angstrom on PandaBoard
[18:15:43] <rsalveti> but he wasn't facing a project deadline
[18:15:45] <ogra_ac> mru, ubuntu wouldnt mind
[18:15:52] <ogra_ac> but there are none yet
[18:15:54] <mru> note there's a huge difference here
[18:16:02] <ogra_ac> is there ?
[18:16:03] <mru> what koen does for OE can be directly used by other distros too
[18:16:12] <mru> but it doesn't go the other way
[18:16:17] <rsalveti> nops
[18:16:20] <mru> an ubuntu package is useless to everybody else
[18:16:25] <ogra_ac> why ?
[18:16:44] <mru> stop trolling
[18:16:44] <ogra_ac> whats so hard about downloading the orig.tar.gz ?
[18:16:50] <mru> that there isn't one
[18:16:59] <ogra_ac> its the plain upstream with its makefiles etc
[18:17:01] <ogra_ac> ??
[18:17:06] <ogra_ac> i just pointed you to them
[18:17:09] <mru> scroll back a little
[18:17:11] <rsalveti> mru: what we, as distro, do is the same thing as koen does for OE
[18:17:19] <mru> not quite
[18:17:25] <rsalveti> the only problem is the lack of proper tarball that TI didn't release
[18:17:28] <rsalveti> why not?
[18:17:34] <rsalveti> both have patches that are distro specific
[18:17:43] <rsalveti> and we get stuff from each other
[18:17:47] <mru> koen can only make OE packages of things that have proper tarballs
[18:17:57] * ogra_ac sees an orig.tar.gz for *every* package in https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/release/+packages
[18:18:06] <rsalveti> mru: sure, but did you see ubuntu doing that?
[18:18:09] <mru> launchpad.net is _NOT_ upstream
[18:18:16] <rsalveti> it's not ubuntu, it's TI that did the work
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[18:18:29] <mru> yes, exclusively for ubuntu
[18:18:31] <rsalveti> we're not responsible for that ppa
[18:18:38] <rsalveti> because they decided and had a project with it!
[18:18:39] <ogra_ac> mru, launchpad.net is upstream for toms of projects
[18:18:42] <rsalveti> with deadlines and such
[18:18:43] <ogra_ac> *tons
[18:18:47] <ogra_ac> its just a tool
[18:19:26] <ogra_ac> and one specific team inside TI decided to use this tool
[18:19:28] <rsalveti> mru: I also agree that this is not the best way to do the work
[18:19:30] <jayabharath> mru: launchpad is just another hosting tool.. (it tends to be confused / associated with Ubuntu .. but that's not entirely true)
[18:19:37] <rsalveti> yup
[18:19:38] <mru> right now I'm feeling a rather strong desire to inflict physical harm on someone responsible for ubuntu
[18:19:53] <ogra_ac> there are about 500 (last time i looked) upstream projects using LP
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[18:20:12] * th1a uses Launchpad for his project...
[18:20:21] <ogra_ac> its just like sourceforge, freshmeat or any other hosting service
[18:20:22] <mru> there's a pretty strong connexion between ubuntu and launcpad
[18:20:22] <rsalveti> mru: I understand you, but please don't put as ubuntu's fault
[18:20:39] <mru> who else could I possibly blame?
[18:20:43] <rsalveti> sure, because ubuntu use it as the main hosting project for the distro
[18:20:47] <rsalveti> mru: TI?
[18:21:05] <mru> it was ubuntu that somehow tricked TI into equating them with linux
[18:21:33] <rsalveti> sure, but is that a problem?
[18:21:36] <mru> yes
[18:21:40] <mru> beacuse it's not true
[18:21:42] <rsalveti> the problem is that ti didn't work the correct way with it
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[18:22:03] <mru> and ubuntu is quite happy for them to work that way
[18:22:10] <mru> since it strengthens their position
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[18:22:42] <rsalveti> mru: we're happy because we have more people helping with the project, but I also share your frustration
[18:22:48] <mru> this is really no different than hardware with only windows drivers
[18:23:08] <ogra_ac> ubuntu explicitly doesnt want to be associated with linux
[18:23:10] <rsalveti> I don't see in that way
[18:23:21] <mru> ogra_ac: no, ubuntu wants to _replace_ linux
[18:23:30] <ogra_ac> LOL
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[18:23:50] <mru> or should I say replace Linus
[18:23:52] <ogra_ac> and the twin towers were blown up by george bush ?
[18:23:53] <robclark> just keep in mind, ubuntu was used partly so product test and various devel teams have a way to test that various TI stuff is working properly.. it is just a reference. But we don't have bandwidth to internally do things on 5x different distributions.. that said, I agree that the firmware should be made more readily available in a distro neutral manner..
[18:24:05] <robclark> whatever distro you pick, I'm sure someone will be unhappy
[18:24:06] <mru> ogra_ac: no, by mark shuttleworth
[18:24:12] <ogra_ac> heh
[18:24:29] <ogra_ac> ubuntu is just a product
[18:24:34] <rsalveti> just a distro
[18:24:40] <ogra_ac> we might at some point decide to go for BSD
[18:24:42] <robclark> and current state is much better than when everything was only tested on busybox (and a great # of issues were never seen by developers)
[18:24:43] <mru> robclark: I'm not asking you to support 5 different distros
[18:24:49] * robclark likes bsd
[18:24:52] <rsalveti> launchpad != ubuntu != canonical
[18:24:54] <mru> I'm asking you support _one_ distro-agnostic package
[18:25:01] <ogra_ac> ir for HURD next year when it is released
[18:25:13] <robclark> I agree with that.. we shouldn't make it *harder* for other distros
[18:25:20] <mru> but you are
[18:25:24] <rsalveti> sure, that's a common issue we all noticed
[18:25:29] <mru> and you're denying it
[18:25:30] <rsalveti> that will probably be fixed soon
[18:25:31] <ogra_ac> mru, and i pointed you to a place where you can get the upstream tarballs until jayabharath has solved the issue
[18:25:35] <ogra_ac> so whats your point
[18:25:37] <robclark> (but IANAL and don't know all the legal issues w/ clickwrap and blah blah blah)
[18:25:40] <mru> and ubuntu are cheering you along
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[18:26:14] <robclark> I am denying it?
[18:26:26] <ogra_ac> mru, do you ever get any code written btw ? with all the whining all day long
[18:26:33] <mru> robclark: not in this very moment
[18:26:41] <ogra_ac> several people have shown you solutions
[18:26:42] <mru> ogra_ac: you'd be surprised
[18:26:58] <ogra_ac> and one authority told you it will be fixed soon
[18:26:58] <mru> several people have told me to use ubuntu
[18:27:13] <ogra_ac> yeah, give it a try, its cool ;)
[18:27:16] <robclark> use whatever you want
[18:27:20] <mru> and this has been going on for well over a month
[18:27:31] <ogra_ac> because we know it works
[18:27:39] <mru> and I know you're wrong
[18:27:53] <rsalveti> it's just because it's the working one at the moment
[18:27:57] <ogra_ac> did you file bugs for the issues that dont work ?
[18:27:57] <rsalveti> and used as a reference
[18:28:02] <rsalveti> because ti helped with it
[18:28:05] <ogra_ac> bugnumbers please
[18:28:09] * jayabharath admires the infinite energy of mru to keep on going after we have agreed on a path forward
[18:28:21] <mru> jayabharath: ogra_ac is still alive
[18:28:35] <mru> and I'm still angry
[18:28:39] <ogra_ac> jayabharath, i always exepect he is doing that for my sole entertainment ;)
[18:29:05] <jayabharath> he he.. ogra_ac is certainly with full energy.. I am sure you are both entertaining each other
[18:29:15] <rsalveti> mru: so what would make you happy? kill ogra_ac and destroy all the distros around?
[18:29:17] <rsalveti> hehe
[18:29:20] <mru> I'm hoping that maybe, one day, someone will listen and understand
[18:29:35] <pupnik> can anyone give me a quick answer why it took so long for omap3 powered phones to appear?
[18:29:47] <mru> did it?
[18:29:56] <rsalveti> pupnik: we have tons of omap3 phones all around
[18:30:25] <pupnik> so the lag of about 2~ years between reading about a SoC and seeing it in a phone is normal?
[18:30:33] <robclark> no
[18:31:01] <mru> first announcement to consumer product does take about that long
[18:31:32] <rsalveti> we
[18:31:33] <pupnik> http://mobile.engadget.com/2006/02/14/tis-omap-3-3430-processor-announced-does-high-def/
[18:31:42] <rsalveti> we'll probably see omap 4 phones in one year or so
[18:31:44] <rsalveti> or even more
[18:31:52] <pupnik> 2006/02/14
[18:32:03] <rsalveti> people don't want to push the best available chip right away
[18:32:16] <pupnik> you're right, 3 years :)
[18:32:18] <rsalveti> while they can make huge piles of money with different platforms
[18:32:30] <jayabharath> pupnik: In most smartphone SoC's announcements tend to happen 6 month before sampling ;) + 9 months to RTP + 6 or so month for customers to ramp.. tend to get us to 1.5 yrs to 2 yr range
[18:32:50] <jayabharath> However, we have seen this trend accelerate.. from 2011 - you can expect 1-1.5 yrs ramp times overall
[18:32:55] <pupnik> ty jayabharath that helps me
[18:33:26] <jayabharath> This is similar to what Tegra2 guys are facing.. ;)
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[18:35:26] * jayabharath is curious what mru distro run's on his PC? .... hope this does not start another flamming session ;)
[18:35:35] <ogra_ac> LFS
[18:35:37] <ogra_ac> ;)
[18:35:38] <mru> gentoo
[18:35:46] <ogra_ac> build manually from tarballs
[18:35:52] <ogra_ac> ah, i was close then
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[18:35:54] <jayabharath> nice... I could never get that to compile for me.. (my bad)
[18:36:05] <mru> I used to build manually before gentoo came along
[18:36:37] * ogra_ac always preferred to go out with girls than to watch black screen with white text all night
[18:36:45] <jayabharath> I wonder how armin76 is cooking up gentoo on pandaboard
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[18:41:03] <mru> ogra_ac: you can start the build before going out with girls
[18:41:24] <ogra_ac> then you miss if it fails
[18:41:28] <ogra_ac> :)
[18:41:30] <_av500_> pupnik: there was one omap3 based product well before there were phones :)
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[18:44:37] <pupnik> ogra_ac: with a n900 it's convenient to monitor stuff in ssh
[18:45:02] <ogra_ac> that really depends on the girl though
[18:45:43] <armin76> jayabharath: i'm doing fine, setting it up is really fine and now that i know that the omapzoom git tree is what should be used for x-loader/uboot and kernel i know what to write for the documentation :)
[18:46:04] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: well, I showed gentoo to my wife, and she used it for more than 3 years
[18:46:07] <armin76> jayabharath: i've been also trying to do some benchmarking on it, but it just sigbuses on big compilations
[18:46:10] <rsalveti> heheh
[18:46:39] * rsalveti also used gentoo for quite many years
[18:46:44] <ogra_ac> rsalveti, but you didnt build it while dating her ;)
[18:46:56] <ssvb> armin76: what kernel are you using now?
[18:46:57] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: yep I did hehe
[18:47:01] <ogra_ac> lol
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[18:47:20] <armin76> ssvb: oh hi, latest 24.11 tag on omapzoom
[18:47:35] <armin76> ssvb: you using x-loader/uboot and kernel from omapzoom?
[18:47:37] <mru> what does 24.11 signify?
[18:48:06] <armin76> mru: dunno
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[18:48:31] <dm8tbr> _av500_: ah and I didn't want to start that topic :)
[18:48:56] <jayabharath> mru: It's a 24.x means linux OMAP4 release stream... .11 is a monthly release tag number
[18:48:57] <armin76> ssvb: however i start to feel like hardfloat with the tegra, no one builds anything big on the board :(
[18:49:13] <jayabharath> _av500_: Indeed.. that's right
[18:49:26] <Ali-Sky> what are some distintions between the beagleboard and the pandaboard and the hawkboard?
[18:49:41] <ogra_ac> different animals
[18:49:41] <_av500_> different names
[18:49:44] <mru> ever been to a zoo?
[18:49:51] <Ali-Sky> *headdesk*
[18:50:01] <_av500_> bing it
[18:50:09] <Ali-Sky> specwise, supportwise, community wise, and applicationwise
[18:50:32] <_av500_> panda is quite lively :)
[18:50:37] <ogra_ac> pandaboard has full ubuntu support :)
[18:50:44] <mru> well, the hawkboard doesn't stand much chance of running ubuntu
[18:50:45] * ogra_ac puts away the salt now
[18:50:48] <mru> so that's a good thing
[18:51:05] <dm8tbr> _av500_: speaking of non-phone omap3 products, either the PMIC sucks or this seeding unit has totally broken power management
[18:51:07] <mru> and it has a floating-point dsp
[18:51:12] <_av500_> mru: xm neither ;)
[18:51:31] <_av500_> dm8tbr: could be
[18:51:37] <mru> xm is powerful enough that someone might try
[18:51:42] <mru> against better advice
[18:51:58] <jayabharath> Ali-Sky: Read http://omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_FAQ on Pandaboard.. cant comment much on Hawk as I dont know how it flies!... you can ask beagle comparision question here..
[18:52:01] <dm8tbr> _av500_: but gift horse etc :) - let's just hope alex comes by with that server soon
[18:52:05] * dm8tbr wants his a101
[18:53:01] <jayabharath> Ali-Sky: go check out the pandaboard website (esp platform page) ... http://pandaboard.org/ and ask us questions
[18:53:17] <armin76> ssvb: build stuff!
[18:54:00] <jayabharath> Ali-Sky: In the end they all faithful animals in the community zoo -- so you should get good support on any of them
[18:54:10] <Ali-Sky> I know the beagleboard-XM has far better specs than the frst beagleboard... only found out aobut the hawkboard today so...
[18:54:31] <mru> hawkboard is very different
[18:54:35] <Ali-Sky> I notice #hawkboard here only has a few users.
[18:54:40] <jayabharath> except for the fact that OMAP3 & OMAP-L138 are catalog (available to all) .. OMAP4 is not available broadly (as of now)
[18:54:58] <mru> and omap-l138 is really a davinci-class chip
[18:55:16] <ssvb> armin76: ok, I'll kick rebuilding gcc in a loop, was that the failing testcase for you?
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[18:57:09] <Ali-Sky> OMAP4 has a cortex-A9 core, right?
[18:57:16] <ogra_ac> yes
[18:57:32] <jayabharath> yes in a .. Dual core configuration
[18:57:35] <armin76> ssvb: its random
[18:57:54] <ogra_ac> armin76, you dont use the full gig of ram, do you ?
[18:58:07] <ogra_ac> there is still an open issue with using more than 768M
[18:58:08] <armin76> uh...i do
[18:58:16] <armin76> nice
[18:58:18] <ogra_ac> dont then ;)
[18:58:24] <armin76> where's that documented?
[18:59:07] <armin76> ssvb: you using 1gb too?
[18:59:17] * jayabharath looks
[18:59:46] <jayabharath> armin76: http://omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Known_Issues#Instabilities_when_using_1GB_RAM_support -- I think we should also link this from PandaBoard FAQs
[19:00:30] <ogra_ac> ++
[19:02:10] <armin76> how does that 460+256mb thing work?
[19:02:43] <armin76> simply using mem=716m on the kernel cmdline?
[19:03:22] <mru> I haven't noticed any problems with using 1G
[19:03:32] <ogra_ac> mem=460M@0x80000000 mem=256M@0xA0000000
[19:03:44] <ogra_ac> mru, what did you compile yet
[19:03:51] <armin76> ogra_ac: thanks, will test
[19:03:58] <mru> why is compiling special?
[19:04:01] <ogra_ac> it only happens after some time and only with rather big compiles
[19:04:06] <ssvb> armin76: yes, I was using 1gb too
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[19:04:44] <armin76> jayabharath: please put that cmdline args somewhere?
[19:05:00] <ogra_ac> armin76, its a wiki ;)
[19:05:06] <ogra_ac> dont hold back
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[19:12:33] <ssvb> jayabharath: *ubuntu* known issues?
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[19:18:34] <ogra_ac> ssvb, there is a corresponding bug from august or september in ubuntu
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[19:20:06] <_av500_> what is the issue with 1g?
[19:20:11] <_av500_> pardon my ignorance...
[19:20:40] <ogra_ac> one was the 2G split, one was an issue with highmem activated
[19:21:03] <ogra_ac> fixing both still didnt make the board fully stable with 1G enabled
[19:21:05] <_av500_> himem.sys? :)
[19:21:20] <mru> no, himem.deb
[19:21:23] <ogra_ac> yeah, but only on the preinstalled wine images
[19:21:54] <ogra_ac> i dont remember the bug numbers, feel free to search launchpad
[19:22:35] <ogra_ac> might have been 633227
[19:23:29] * _av500_ has a msp430 based launchpad, no results :)
[19:23:55] <ogra_ac> nah, you need the soyuz version
[19:23:59] <ogra_ac> upgrade
[19:25:02] <_av500_> zypper?
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[19:25:42] <ogra_ac> zippers on rockets ?
[19:26:07] <_av500_> hmm, no sozuy in my yast
[19:26:16] <_av500_> soyuz
[19:27:29] <jayabharath> prpplague: orbarron I thought you documented some boot args that work well for you for 1GB... where are they? I can only find http://omappedia.org/wiki/Minimal-FS_Booting.. which is using only 463M
[19:29:46] <prpplague> jayabharath: that was for basic minimal testing
[19:30:12] <prpplague> jayabharath: the boot args are going to depend on what options and features you have in the kernel turned on like ducati and such
[19:30:56] <_av500_> for 1gb?
[19:31:12] <_av500_> thats for the hole, no?
[19:31:17] <_av500_> like on bb
[19:31:28] <jayabharath> yeah but even for minimal fs... we still pass 463M .. why?
[19:31:43] <prpplague> _av500_: yea
[19:31:46] <ogra_ac> mem=460M@0x80000000 mem=256M@0xA0000000 should definitely work fine
[19:32:03] <_av500_> 460 why?
[19:32:06] <prpplague> jayabharath: that just leaves the hole for ducati and and such
[19:32:11] <_av500_> ok
[19:32:25] <_av500_> and 512+256 is max?
[19:33:12] <ogra_ac> its safe
[19:33:20] <ogra_ac> you might be able to go higher
[19:33:37] <ogra_ac> but with full 1G you might see bus errors compiling stuff
[19:34:30] <_av500_> and nobody fixes that 1st?
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[19:35:13] <rsalveti> _av500_: not yet
[19:35:19] <mru> _av500_: this is ubuntu, they prefer a quick kludge
[19:35:40] <rsalveti> we're unable to run upstream kernel, and the one provided by ti has the bug
[19:36:09] <try> i am not able to locate latest ubutntu images for Panda , can any point me out
[19:36:20] <_av500_> lol
[19:36:23] <_av500_> sorry
[19:37:14] <ogra_ac> try, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall has the links
[19:40:05] <robclark> himem issue is, AFAIK, an issue w/ linux arch/arm code..
[19:40:41] <_av500_> robclark: and?
[19:41:01] <ogra_ac> and not fixed yet
[19:41:02] <robclark> and I don't think it is any better on any other kernel tree that I know of..
[19:41:08] <robclark> upstream, downstream, whatever
[19:41:23] <try> ogra_ac: Thanks But I cant see any releases after 7oct
[19:41:29] <mru> don't cross the streams
[19:41:30] <try> unable to locate latest releases
[19:41:33] <jayabharath> how abt in bsd ;)
[19:42:06] <_av500_> robclark: not many 1GB arm boards around i guess :)
[19:42:18] <jayabharath> try: just go to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/10.10/release/
[19:42:49] <robclark> no, I don't think so
[19:42:56] <ogra_ac> try, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/maverick/release/
[19:43:05] <ogra_ac> thats where the link on the wiki gets you
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[19:43:24] <try> ogra_ac: still pointing to 7thoct releases
[19:43:35] <ogra_ac> not here
[19:43:52] <ogra_ac> the wiki points exactly to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/
[19:44:02] <ogra_ac> which has two dirs 10.10 and maverick
[19:44:09] <ogra_ac> one is a link to the other
[19:44:46] <ogra_ac> oh, you mean the timestamps on the image files ?
[19:44:56] <ogra_ac> thats creation time, its fine
[19:45:00] <try> ogra_ac: yup
[19:45:14] <ogra_ac> its the release
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[19:45:18] <try> ogra_ac: would that provide me latest release
[19:45:22] <ogra_ac> yes
[19:45:43] <_av500_> ogra_ac: remember to touch the tgz on release date :)
[19:45:58] <_av500_> and make a photo with newspapre next to it
[19:46:00] <ogra_ac> the actual images are normally built a few dass in advance and go through 100s of QA processes
[19:46:06] <ogra_ac> *days
[19:46:09] <try> ogra_ac: which one should i pickup 10.10 or maverick
[19:46:18] <ogra_ac> they are the same ;)
[19:46:31] <ogra_ac> maverick is a link to the 10.10 dir
[19:46:31] <mru> got the temp sensor reporting at least
[19:47:22] <mru> reporting 70C currently
[19:47:27] <mru> under heavy load
[19:47:49] <armin76> mru: how?
[19:48:03] <mru> how what?
[19:48:19] <ogra_ac> he put 2 10kg weights on top
[19:48:22] <armin76> mru: how did you got it reporting?
[19:48:23] <robclark> sounds about right without AVS, SR, DVFS, or any other PM related acronyms..
[19:48:38] <mru> armin76: I found the clock to enable
[19:48:46] <mru> it was hiding in the wkup domain
[19:49:13] <mru> CM_WKUP_BANDGAP_CLKCTRL
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[19:58:00] <_av500_> robclark: how do i install the acronyms?
[19:59:05] <_av500_> or are they in ubuntu ppa? :)
[20:00:15] <robclark> _av500_: probably build kernel from dev.omapzoom.org..
[20:00:25] <robclark> I don't think any of this is in ubuntu
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[20:25:10] <sakoman> mru: what are you using for user space when doing your testing?
[20:25:26] <sakoman> (just curious, I know it isn't ubuntu!)
[20:28:50] <_av500_> gentoo
[20:33:06] <topfs2> your so mainstream :p
[20:33:15] <topfs2> sorry, I'm bored :)
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[20:47:44] <mru> sakoman: as little as possible
[20:48:16] <sakoman> mru: something you built yourself?
[20:48:21] <mru> of course
[20:48:25] <sakoman> :-)
[20:48:45] <sakoman> I understand -- I'm that way too
[20:53:34] <jayabharath> Vikas: is there a easy way to search the IRC logs without using google.com directly
[20:53:54] <mru> why don't you want to use google?
[20:54:05] <mru> it beats most site-specific search engines
[20:54:32] <jayabharath> no what I meant was... Is there a custom search that we have integrated to include irc log (can be google)
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[22:10:10] <michaelwrs> how does one get console output with zoom3 in pm-core branch? I tried omap2plus_defconfig and bootargs of console=ttyO3,115200n8, but there's nothing
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[22:21:12] <fandeli> michaelwrs: try this set console ttyO2,115200n8
[22:23:11] <michaelwrs> fandeli: same thing
[22:23:20] <michaelwrs> ttyO3 works with .35 kernel from omapzoom
[22:24:31] <fandeli> michaelwrs: should be, I tried with L24.11 branch from omapzoom too
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[22:26:23] <fandeli> michaelwrs: shows nothing on terminal? bootloaders?
[22:26:45] <michaelwrs> nothing past uncompressing
[22:26:52] <michaelwrs> L24.11 is .35
[22:27:02] <michaelwrs> .35 doesn't have a problem
[22:27:09] <michaelwrs> pm-core is .37
[22:28:03] <michaelwrs> Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
[22:28:04] <michaelwrs> -- this is the last thing I see
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[23:07:50] <shra1> on zoom3 try ttyS3
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