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IRC Log for 2010-11-10

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  12. [01:16:13] <mru> stable at 279MHz
  13. [01:18:43] <topfs2> what have you done?
  14. [01:18:52] <mru> messed with the clocks
  15. [01:19:05] <topfs2> in hw or sw?
  16. [01:19:20] <mru> rewiring silicon is hard...
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  18. [01:20:27] <topfs2> who knows when you are playing ;)
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  22. [01:38:23] <mru> so which is true? 1) TI has redefined the meaning of DDR clock frequency, or 2) Elpida makes memory that's stable 40% above rated speed
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  41. [04:01:28] <ajray> anyone hook a pixel qi to a pandaboard yet?
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  50. [05:11:33] <calculus> ajray: I think prpplague has, but you need something in between to talk lvds
  51. [05:12:50] <calculus> ajray: http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/dfa891d9a2edfa03/9ec20218a950cdf6
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  72. [05:53:24] <dancios> what compiler support hard fp ?
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  81. [07:01:47] <wiljo> Is .config to build kernel for minimal-FS available somewhere?
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  83. [07:08:42] <vishal_> hi
  84. [07:09:24] <vishal_> hello
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  90. [07:57:38] <ds2> has anyone worked out a good simple boost circuit with 4A+?
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  93. [08:18:58] <ynezz> hm, I would like to see that 4A+ also :)
  94. [08:19:55] <mru> I'm using a 3A PSU and it seems fine
  95. [08:21:15] <ds2> bench PSU's are easy
  96. [08:21:33] <ds2> spec'ing out magnetics for a 4A+ boost....
  97. [08:23:01] <kraiskil> ds2 what do you need 4A for?
  98. [08:23:34] <ds2> kraiskil: the reason for this channel.
  99. [08:24:53] <kraiskil> ? Pandaboard draws 20W?
  100. [08:25:10] <ds2> see FAQ.
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  102. [08:28:22] <kraiskil> Yeah, I've seen that, and was wondering about that even then. Tought it was just overspecification :) Especially as the FAQ says the beagleboard recommended supply should be ok too. And that is 1,2A@5V...
  103. [08:30:22] * kraiskil is adding a heatsink to my pandaboard order
  104. [08:36:03] <mru> I doubt the panda gets anywhere near 4A
  105. [08:36:12] <mru> certainly more than beagle though
  106. [08:36:21] <ds2> the hub, WiFi, ethernet, and full sound might get near there
  107. [08:36:53] <mru> wifi might use a bit
  108. [08:37:02] <mru> the rest shouldn't be so much
  109. [08:38:02] <ds2> I think that assumes the ports on the hub are all pull 500mA; there's a 4port on there, IIRC so that's 2A
  110. [08:40:10] <mru> I think you might be right
  111. [08:40:26] <mru> so it would be better to say 2A+peripherals
  112. [08:40:47] <ds2> that's why I was asking for a power break down for that 4A figure
  113. [08:41:29] <ds2> if we allow for the wilink, it would be about 1.5A for sound, processor, HDMI xmitter, and ethernet
  114. [08:41:34] <kraiskil> 4 USB hosts? Spec says "2x USB 2.0 High-Speed host ports". I thought it meant just one host with two ports...
  115. [08:42:02] <ds2> that'd put the processor at almost 0.8A on a worse case scenario which isn't great but not too horible either
  116. [08:42:54] <kraiskil> yeah, it does add up then :)
  117. [08:43:46] <ds2> hmm 4A+ switchers don't behave very nicely over its entire range :/
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  120. [08:51:58] <span> Hi all
  121. [08:52:18] <span> i have taken the source code of wlan driver from https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/release/+packages
  122. [08:52:44] <span> now i need to build that driver for panda board. so can any one help me how to build the wlan driver for OMAP4 panda bord ?
  123. [08:58:56] <xranby> span: if you have unpacked the sourcecode on your pandaboard the tiwlan-wl1271-0.24.9 direcory and patched the sources using the http://launchpadlibrarian.net/57660888/tiwlan-wl1271_0.24.9-0ubuntu6.diff.gz then building the package are easy
  124. [08:59:04] <xranby> cd into the directory
  125. [09:00:04] <xranby> and type dpkg-buildpackage
  126. [09:00:12] <xranby> to build the deb files
  127. [09:01:39] <xranby> span: thats the ubuntu/debian way to build .deb files im still waiting for my panda board so i have not tested building and using the package myself
  128. [09:03:15] <span> xranby: but i found the know isssue for panda board which is "driver crash on panda bord on boot up"
  129. [09:03:18] <span> have look in http://omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Known_Issues#TI_WLAN_driver_crashed_at_bootup
  130. [09:03:52] <span> so i am confused that whtere my driver worked or not
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  132. [09:04:10] <gnif> hi all
  133. [09:05:13] <_av500_> mru: wrt clokc for the temp sens, just use the clock tool :)
  134. [09:05:16] <gnif> i have a few q's regarding the panda-board, I received a board via the EAP but I am a little unclear on a few things
  135. [09:05:59] <gnif> i understood that it has 1G of ram, yet the minimal linux example only allocates 512M
  136. [09:06:25] <gnif> is this because it is an EA1?
  137. [09:06:42] <mru> _av500_: :-)
  138. [09:08:14] <xranby> span: you can run dmesg to see if the linux kernel have loaded the driver sucessfuly.
  139. [09:08:25] <mru> _av500_: have you been able to run that thing at all?
  140. [09:09:34] <_av500_> sure, on my windows pc :)
  141. [09:09:51] <_av500_> i try to keep closed source crap mimited to one machine
  142. [09:09:56] <_av500_> limited
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  146. [09:15:26] <span> xranby: actully i am unble to download the diff file you provided.. is there any way to get that file..
  147. [09:17:34] * mru would still like a peek at the datasheet btw
  148. [09:17:55] <ds2> you'd go blind if you did ;)
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  150. [09:22:23] <mru> I'll take my chances
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  152. [09:25:51] <_av500_> ds2: its deep down in a large bottle of bad moonshine?
  153. [09:26:12] <ds2> Medusa E-paper
  154. [09:26:47] <mru> http://xkcd.com/380/
  155. [09:27:04] <_av500_> basilisk?
  156. [09:27:16] <_av500_> right
  157. [09:31:38] <xranby> span: you can alternatively get the sources by doing the following 1. add the tiomap-dev ppa repository to your pandaboard apt repositorys by running sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tiomap-dev/release/ubuntu
  158. [09:32:05] <xranby> span: 2. get the list os packages and soures from the ppa by running sudo apt-get update
  159. [09:32:40] <xranby> span: 3. fetch the sources+patches into the current directory by running apt-get source tiwlan-wl1271
  160. [09:33:21] <_av500_> for linux users, what is a ppa?
  161. [09:34:23] <xranby> _av500_: ppa are ubuntu speak for Personal Package Archive and refer to community built packages hosted on http://ppa.launchpad.net/
  162. [09:34:39] <_av500_> ah
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  166. [09:54:40] <utp> hi all
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  187. [11:16:43] <yrt> Can anyone explain why restriction for having 4GB mmc card for panda ?
  188. [11:17:18] <mru> there is no such restriction
  189. [11:17:19] <hrw> yrt: ubuntu?
  190. [11:17:24] <hrw> [ 403.624694] omapdss DISPC error: GFX_FIFO_UNDERFLOW, disabling GFX
  191. [11:17:24] <hrw> [ 403.694122] omapdss DISPC error: SYNC_LOST_DIGIT
  192. [11:17:28] <hrw> this suxx
  193. [11:22:48] <ogra_ac> known issue, being worked on
  194. [11:23:48] <span> xranby: thanks... i am trying your steps given some time before. Thanks
  195. [11:25:37] <yrt> hrw: Yes I am using ubuntu
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  197. [11:26:19] <hrw> yrt: if ubuntu then 4GB SD minimal
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  199. [11:27:30] <ogra_ac> yrt, the uncompressed rootfs is about 2.2G big ... to have some space for working it needs to be bigger than 2G ... if you find a 3G card, feel free to use it
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  201. [11:30:52] <ssvb> hrw: you can try these patches - http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/132ffdec2e51a88
  202. [11:33:03] <yrt> ogra_ac: Thanks, Its clear to me now
  203. [11:33:30] <yrt> I would like to check my gpio GPIO_171 (BOARD_ID2), GPIO_101 (BOARD_ID1), and GPIO_182
  204. [11:33:37] <yrt> any /sys or /proc interfaces
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  206. [11:47:53] <hrw> yrt: "for gpio in 171 101 182;do cat /sys/class/gpio/gpio$gpio/value;done"
  207. [11:49:44] <yrt> does 750-2152-010 (ES2.1, 8-layer board)-Production board/PandaBoard Rev. A1 is available ?
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  210. [12:01:52] <bernard_> yrt: what's the label on it?
  211. [12:02:21] <bernard_> (i've got a board labelled EA1 but gives the same board id from the GPIOs as you)
  212. [12:04:47] <mru> no ES2.1 label?
  213. [12:05:04] <hrw> my does not have "es2.1" written on labels
  214. [12:05:14] <bernard_> neither
  215. [12:05:16] <mru> hrw: what board do you have?
  216. [12:05:31] <mru> there are ~10 EA1 boards with ES2.1
  217. [12:05:32] <hrw> mru: EA1 ES2.1 (according to gpio setup)
  218. [12:06:09] <mru> I'd check the chip id directly
  219. [12:06:13] <hrw> Assy: 750-2152-001 (D)
  220. [12:06:23] <hrw> mru: tell me how and I will give you data
  221. [12:06:42] <mru> TRM section 1.5
  222. [12:07:29] <mru> read physical address 0x4A002204
  223. [12:07:44] <hrw> devmem2 or uboot?
  224. [12:07:49] <mru> doesn't matter
  225. [12:08:06] <mru> top 4 bits give the chip version
  226. [12:08:37] <hrw> Value at address 0x4A002204 (0x2aba9204): 0x1B85202F
  227. [12:08:39] <bernard_> ES2.0 for me. bummer.
  228. [12:08:46] <mru> hrw: that's ES2.0
  229. [12:08:55] <hrw> mru: thx
  230. [12:08:59] <_av500_> can i write 0xF0000000 to force upgrade?
  231. [12:09:04] <mru> 2.1 would be 0x3B95C02F
  232. [12:10:05] <mru> so the gpio test isn't reliable
  233. [12:10:22] <_av500_> it is for gpios
  234. [12:11:18] <hrw> es2.1 trm is available?
  235. [12:11:22] <mru> yes
  236. [12:11:43] <mru> http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/OMAP4430_ES2.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vM.zip
  237. [12:12:05] <hrw> fetching
  238. [12:12:26] <_av500_> not really :)
  239. [12:13:30] <hrw> time to blog
  240. [12:13:49] <_av500_> time to comment on hrw blog
  241. [12:14:28] <hrw> ;D
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  243. [12:28:35] <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/11/10/how-to-detect-pandaboard-version/
  244. [12:28:48] <hrw> so...
  245. [12:28:56] <hrw> TI: please fix your solder monkeys
  246. [12:30:31] <ogra_ac> i think there is no massive difference between EA1 and A1 apart from the DVI port wiring
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  250. [12:55:33] <bernard_> ogra_ac: and the ES2.1 silicon, which apparently (allegedly) can do 400MHz without drawbacks.
  251. [12:56:25] <mru> it's not apparent to me
  252. [12:57:13] <bernard_> mru: i put the "(allegedly)" in there just for you :)
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  254. [12:58:01] * ogra_ac must say that his A1 doesnt really feel faster than the EA1
  255. [12:58:03] <mru> if the defaults give 400MHz, my board is happily running at 560MHz
  256. [12:58:08] <mru> and I find that unbelievable
  257. [12:58:13] <bernard_> ogra_ac: The ES2.1 chip fixed this and is running fine at 400MHz on both
  258. [12:58:14] <bernard_> channels. Its highly likely it will take a while for all fixes to
  259. [12:58:19] <bernard_> gah. wrong paste.
  260. [12:58:41] <bernard_> ogra_ac: http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/msg/bd03264b6b800900 ... "Its highly likely it will take a while for all fixes to propagate to all trees"
  261. [12:58:57] <ogra_ac> yeah
  262. [12:58:58] <bernard_> it's not entirely clear what the fixes are though.
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  264. [12:59:10] <ogra_ac> i'm waiting for a new kernel ;)
  265. [12:59:40] <hrw> ogra_ac: 2.6.37-rc1+huge-set-of-patches?
  266. [12:59:49] <bernard_> wouldn't it more likely be an x-loader thing?
  267. [13:00:09] * hrw waits for new kernel for other device
  268. [13:00:16] <ogra_ac> hrw, yeah, i know sebjan_ already works on something
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  272. [13:11:35] * av500 cannot believe that these "fixes" need to propagate through trees
  273. [13:11:46] <av500> a simple pastebin would be enough
  274. [13:11:50] <mru> clock trees
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  276. [13:14:15] <sniperjo> anyone know the operating temp for pandaboard?
  277. [13:14:43] <av500> it works at room temperature
  278. [13:15:29] <sniperjo> thats good to know
  279. [13:16:22] <sniperjo> will it work in the cold ?
  280. [13:16:43] <av500> one mans cold is another mans heat
  281. [13:16:50] <av500> +'
  282. [13:17:08] <sniperjo> -20 c
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  285. [13:34:11] <armin76> ssvb: ping
  286. [13:37:07] <armin76> ssvb: have you built stuff on the panda? gcc f.ex?
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  295. [13:59:40] <ssvb> armin76: I did not do much compilation on the device itself and have not encountered this sigbus problem yet
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  311. [14:47:13] <noleguy> morning
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  314. [15:07:49] <Robin_Watts> Hi all. I've been borrowing a beagleboard for ages, and I may soon have to return it. I am therefore pondering buying my own one. But maybe I should be looking at a pandaboard instead?
  315. [15:08:16] <av500> depends
  316. [15:08:16] <Robin_Watts> Any advice/comments/suggestions you can offer would be much appreciated.
  317. [15:08:46] * ian_brasil (~ian_brasi@189.2.128.130) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  318. [15:09:24] <jannau> Robin_Watts: there will be cases once the board is actually shipping
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  320. [15:09:38] <av500> yes, it ships in a nice "case"
  321. [15:09:46] <Robin_Watts> jannau: Wow. Hadn't actually typed the question yet :)
  322. [15:09:52] <mru> panda is better, it comes in a black box
  323. [15:09:56] <Robin_Watts> When is the board due to ship ?
  324. [15:10:03] <av500> order date + ?
  325. [15:10:07] <av500> roughly
  326. [15:10:26] <jannau> Robin_Watts: I didn't wanted to answer that question in #beagle
  327. [15:10:57] <Robin_Watts> Being as I am UK based, getting stuff imported is a pain in the ass.
  328. [15:11:17] <av500> tell us about it
  329. [15:11:46] <Robin_Watts> I am going to be visiting the US in early january, so ideally I want to have ordered the stuff I want before then so it can be delivered to the people I'm visiting, and I can carry it back.
  330. [15:11:49] <av500> actually, the pain is to pay the vat...
  331. [15:12:08] <av500> besides that, it just takes 1-2 days longer
  332. [15:12:16] <mru> order it to a friend in the US and have him send it to you as a gift
  333. [15:12:26] <Robin_Watts> mru: Even that doesn't always work.
  334. [15:12:33] <merbzt> I have no friends
  335. [15:12:34] <av500> that might cost more than digikey free shipping + vat
  336. [15:12:35] <mru> it has a high chance of success
  337. [15:13:04] <mru> or find someone who's traveling and willing to carry it
  338. [15:13:12] * jannau didn't had to pay vat
  339. [15:13:18] <mru> hmm, maybe there's money to be made smuggling pandas
  340. [15:13:26] <av500> jannau: ?
  341. [15:13:26] <Robin_Watts> As I say, I'm going in early january, and that's perfect timing for me.
  342. [15:14:21] <Robin_Watts> But the attraction of being able to buy everything at once and have a nice case to keep it safe can't be overstated.
  343. [15:14:22] <jannau> av500: for the panda
  344. [15:14:51] <av500> jannau: lucky
  345. [15:14:58] * mru neither
  346. [15:15:08] <av500> Robin_Watts: not really
  347. [15:15:44] <Robin_Watts> av500: maybe not for you.
  348. [15:16:10] <mru> cases are overrated
  349. [15:16:20] <jannau> av500: yes, especially since the EA1 pandas are more valueable
  350. [15:16:31] <av500> Robin_Watts: see, outvoted :)
  351. [15:16:56] <Robin_Watts> But for me, having a decent case is a priority (otherwise it'd get damaged in the pigsty of an office, or in a my suitcase)
  352. [15:17:56] <ogra_ac> there is a nice breadbox case from prpplague that was exhibited at plumbers ;)
  353. [15:18:01] <av500> Robin_Watts: http://www.google.com/images?q=butterbrotdose
  354. [15:18:26] <av500> remove the sandwich 1st...
  355. [15:18:29] <ogra_ac> heh
  356. [15:18:47] <av500> and clean your office....
  357. [15:18:56] <Robin_Watts> av500: Now, that's just crazy talk!
  358. [15:19:40] <av500> http://elinux.org/Panda_Bamboo
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  360. [15:21:49] <merbzt> mru: is R_ARM_MOVW_ABS_NC fixed in gcc ?
  361. [15:24:38] <mru> is it broken?
  362. [15:24:54] <merbzt> R_ARM_MOVW_ABS_NC relocation error
  363. [15:25:06] <merbzt> when linking so's without fpic
  364. [15:25:29] <mru> it used to be the dynamic loader that failed on those
  365. [15:25:37] <mru> and they refused to fix it
  366. [15:25:59] <av500> fPIC?
  367. [15:26:25] <mru> -fpic and -fPIC are equivalent on all systems you're likely to ever care about
  368. [15:26:50] <av500> on my PDP11?
  369. [15:27:04] <mru> I don't think there's a difference there
  370. [15:27:55] <ogra_ac> depends if its a micro or not i'd guess ;) micoe might need it non capitalized
  371. [15:28:02] <ogra_ac> *micro
  372. [15:28:12] <mru> "a micro"?
  373. [15:28:20] <ogra_ac> PDP11 micro
  374. [15:28:27] <ogra_ac> never hear of it ?
  375. [15:28:32] <ogra_ac> *heard
  376. [15:28:45] <dancios> is pandaboard on the market ? :D
  377. [15:29:03] <av500> you can order at digikey
  378. [15:29:09] <av500> it will be shipped eventually
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  380. [15:30:01] <dancios> is anywhere gcc crosscompiler/compiler package with Hard FP to download ?
  381. [15:31:01] <mru> build it yourself
  382. [15:31:05] <mru> it's the only way to be sure
  383. [15:32:47] <ogra_ac> debian has a hardfloat port in the works iirc they used the linaro gcc
  384. [15:33:16] <ogra_ac> (ubuntu will implement HF over the next two releases too)
  385. [15:35:04] <dancios> ogra_ac: is this debian port avaliable for download & testing ? (considering my own kernel compilation)
  386. [15:35:27] <ogra_ac> ask markos (he is usually in #linaro)
  387. [15:35:40] <hrw> or check debian-ports.org
  388. [15:35:53] <ogra_ac> or that ;)
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  400. [16:19:00] <try> any help for running 1080p video on panda
  401. [16:19:08] <av500> try downhill
  402. [16:19:40] * ogra_ac hasnt had any probs running them yet
  403. [16:19:55] <try> av500: canu share link
  404. [16:21:16] <jayabharath> CarsonLynn: Your PandaBoard should have been delivered yesterday.. did you get it?
  405. [16:21:56] <try> have u tried with gst-launch or thru player? I could see bad perf with player (trying 1080p video from apple.com
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  407. [16:22:22] <jayabharath> try: It should work fine though totem/movie player
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  409. [16:23:13] <jayabharath> Running the 1080p video from apple.com website is not really good performance...
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  411. [16:23:48] <try> jayabharath: Can u share any link for 1080p
  412. [16:23:52] <try> video
  413. [16:24:11] <jayabharath> http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/
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  416. [16:25:40] <jayabharath> There are 2 known issue you must be aware of : command like startup of totem is more reliable... clips on USB storage give better performance (Ref: http://omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Known_Issues#HD_video_playback_via_Totem_seems_to_be_unstable )
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  419. [16:28:25] <sakoman> jayabharath: does analog audio out work on Panda (i.e. the stereo mini jack)?
  420. [16:28:36] <sakoman> my monitor doesn't do hdmi audio :-(
  421. [16:28:46] <jayabharath> sakoman: yes it should indeed
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  423. [16:29:08] <sakoman> hmmm . . . guess I better investigate why it doesn't work on mine!
  424. [16:29:08] <jayabharath> However, on the record path there is a board HW bug.. we can only record mono
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  426. [16:29:24] <quan> clear
  427. [16:29:34] <sakoman> jayabharath: is the output jack top or bottom of the stack?
  428. [16:30:18] <jayabharath> I would recommend you download test file system.. hook up the http://pandaboard.org/content/resources/troubleshooting -- and see if you can hear anything on the speaker/headset
  429. [16:30:31] <sakoman> jayabharath: yeah, will do that
  430. [16:30:31] <jayabharath> Actually I cant seem to remember :( - and am not close to a board at this time
  431. [16:31:00] <robclark> jayabharath: apple.com trailers should play just fine.. they are pretty low bitrate / easy 1080p clips
  432. [16:31:23] <robclark> if they are not playing well, you have something wrong.. like maybe not having the accelerated decoders installed
  433. [16:32:01] <jayabharath> robclark: I see. Need to check with orbarron - we were doing that test on his setup - may be something was messed up on his end. Will try again later today
  434. [16:32:33] <robclark> jayabharath: also, fwiw, there are some patches floating around that make the scaling work a bit better, so it is ok for hd clips if you don't have totem maximized..
  435. [16:33:00] <robclark> yeah, definitely something wrong with orbarron's setup... omap4 yawns when playing apple trailer clips
  436. [16:33:18] <jayabharath> nice
  437. [16:33:30] * robclark has seen 2x apple trailer clips playing on two screens on blaze on es2.0 with slower memory interface
  438. [16:33:44] <jayabharath> sakoman: Ref: http://omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_FAQ#When_I_record_audio_it_seems_to_be_in_mono_only.3F
  439. [16:34:15] <jayabharath> The top jack of thhe audio tower is line-in , so your speakers go on the botton jack
  440. [16:34:39] <prpplague> robclark: ping
  441. [16:36:24] <robclark> prpplague: pong
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  446. [16:42:41] <prpplague> robclark: hey, quick question
  447. [16:42:51] <prpplague> robclark: i have two dss framebuffers
  448. [16:43:41] <prpplague> robclark: is there an sysfs entry where i can have fb0 rotated 180, and fb1 at 0 and switch between them?
  449. [16:44:17] <mru> turn the hdmi plug upside down
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  452. [16:44:39] <ogra_ac> that requires hammering
  453. [16:45:06] <av500> turn the tv upside down
  454. [16:45:13] <robclark> prpplague: yes
  455. [16:45:17] <mru> or your head
  456. [16:46:11] <jayabharath> or your eyes ;)
  457. [16:46:26] <robclark> prpplague: I guess it should be covered somewhere on http://omapedia.org/wiki/Bootargs_for_enabling_display
  458. [16:46:54] <robclark> hmmm... errr.. well, I think for v4l2 they move the rotation to be one of the v4l2 ioctls..
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  460. [16:47:09] * robclark recommends to rtfs
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  462. [16:51:57] <av500> robclark: hmm, is omapedia only for omap4?
  463. [16:52:28] <robclark> hmm, prpplague, I wonder probably if you rotate dynamically, I wonder if things will be resized properly... I'm pretty sure X11 driver won't handle it properly currently
  464. [16:52:52] <robclark> av500: I don't think so.. I think most of that should apply for omap3 too.. except only vrfb rotation instead of TILER rotation..
  465. [16:53:17] <robclark> prpplague: btw, maybe there needs to be some bootarg or kernel option to put framebuffer in TILER too..
  466. [16:53:17] <av500> well, it talks about zorder and 3 video overlays and does not mention omap4 vs omap3 at all
  467. [16:53:57] <robclark> it wouldn't surprise me if it was last updated by someone working on omap4..
  468. [16:54:28] <robclark> I guess it would be nice if it was a bit more clear about that sort of stuff
  469. [16:54:35] <av500> robclark: it does not surprise me either, but ti should realize that existance of omapN does not make omapN-1 disappear overnight
  470. [16:54:47] <mru> whoever designed the omap4 memory interface was spending too much time on clever acronyms and too little on making it work
  471. [16:55:54] <robclark> av500: true.. but for a lot of the developers, omap3 is a distant memory by now.. it isn't a good thing, but I don't have time to fix everything myself..
  472. [16:56:23] <robclark> maybe jayabharath can pester the display team
  473. [16:56:47] <jayabharath> started a email already to the display folks
  474. [16:56:53] <av500> robclark: i understand and do not blame you. I just pointed it out because I dont see that for the 1st time
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  476. [16:57:38] <robclark> there is not enough focus on having same team working on different generations of platform... you can see the same thing too if you try and get same kernel working on omap3 and omap4 :-/
  477. [16:57:41] <jayabharath> av500: it's a system problem we have here.. engineers only see to see stuff from the point they are working on 'now'... and not all engineers are engaged in working on these public documentation
  478. [16:58:02] <av500> jayabharath: i know that too well :)
  479. [16:58:18] * jayabharath puts on mru's hat... and starts firing engineers at TI
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  481. [16:59:54] <mru> jayabharath: btw, I managed to coerce the ddr clock up to 280MHz (or 560MHz by your reckoning)
  482. [17:00:18] <mru> I simply don't believe that 400MHz-rated memory can run at 560MHz without issue
  483. [17:00:33] <mru> if it could, they'd be selling it as 533MHz instead
  484. [17:00:51] <jayabharath> There is something really spooky going on with the memory i/f
  485. [17:01:06] <mru> you don't say...
  486. [17:01:06] <av500> mru: well, lpddr3 is sold at 533
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  488. [17:01:11] <av500> err, lpddr2
  489. [17:01:18] * quan (4640a0f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.64.160.247) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
  490. [17:01:22] <mru> av500: not this chip
  491. [17:02:15] <mru> btw, what's the max clock for L3?
  492. [17:04:46] * mdomsch_ (~mdomsch@2001:1938:16a::2) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  493. [17:05:46] <try> for 1080p video , Audio is audible from audio port or TV
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  496. [17:07:20] <try> for 1080p video , Audio is audible from audio port or TV
  497. [17:08:15] <jayabharath> try: it depends on how you have configured your system setup and audio configuration... are you using ubuntu or some other environment?
  498. [17:08:38] <try> i m using ubuntu
  499. [17:08:47] <mru> if I had a penny for everytime they say ubuntu...
  500. [17:08:49] <try> help to setup for HDMI to TV
  501. [17:08:57] <ogra_ac> ubuntu
  502. [17:08:58] <ogra_ac> ubuntu
  503. [17:08:58] <ogra_ac> ubuntu
  504. [17:08:59] <ogra_ac> ubuntu
  505. [17:09:00] <ogra_ac> ubuntu
  506. [17:09:10] <mru> jayabharath: repeat after me: ubuntu is not upstream
  507. [17:09:10] <ogra_ac> 5 pennies for you
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  509. [17:09:34] <mru> backwater would be a more accurate description...
  510. [17:09:55] <mru> or should I say more apt...
  511. [17:09:59] <ogra_ac> mru, you are free to port the 1400 patches upstream
  512. [17:10:14] <ogra_ac> i guess linus would be grateful
  513. [17:10:14] <mru> ogra_ac: that is your fucking job, get it!!!!???!?
  514. [17:10:21] <ogra_ac> nope, it isnt
  515. [17:11:09] <mru> you're the ubuntu guy, no?
  516. [17:11:12] <av500> mru: I dont care for ubu patches at all, I care for TI to provide a working kernel to upstream
  517. [17:11:25] <av500> and going via ubu is wrong imho
  518. [17:11:26] <mru> av500: of course
  519. [17:11:30] <mru> and agreed
  520. [17:11:40] <ogra_ac> mru, yes, and why does that make me responsible for doing TIs work ?
  521. [17:11:47] * sakoman agrees too
  522. [17:11:50] <av500> so dont shout at ogra_ac, shout at ti
  523. [17:11:57] <mru> I'm shouting at both
  524. [17:12:08] <ogra_ac> because you can ?
  525. [17:12:32] <mru> because I believe it has a greater chance of success than not shouting
  526. [17:12:39] * sakoman thinks that TI figured hiring Canonical was the same as upstreaming
  527. [17:12:39] <ogra_ac> nah
  528. [17:12:55] <mru> sakoman: I think you're right
  529. [17:13:01] <jayabharath> IMHO you guys are a bit confused
  530. [17:13:07] <ogra_ac> Ti has contracts with linaro for that
  531. [17:13:13] <mru> linaro == ubuntu
  532. [17:13:17] <av500> jayabharath: we are professionall confused
  533. [17:13:18] <jayabharath> We use ubuntu as a validation envinroment.. not a mechanism to upstream anything
  534. [17:13:18] <ogra_ac> right
  535. [17:13:20] <mru> jayabharath: care to enlighten us
  536. [17:13:21] <mru> ?
  537. [17:13:27] <ogra_ac> and ubuntu != upstreaming factory
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  539. [17:13:46] <sakoman> jayabharath: I thought the omapzoom kernel was for validation
  540. [17:13:48] <rsalveti> linaro != ubuntu
  541. [17:13:52] <mru> jayabharath: that's just as wrong imo
  542. [17:13:55] * sakoman ducks & runs
  543. [17:14:00] <ogra_ac> rsalveti, yeah, i misread ;)
  544. [17:14:01] <jayabharath> ubuntu was never good at upstreaming .. using that as a mechanism for pushing upstream would be a BAD idea ;0
  545. [17:14:09] <rsalveti> and they got ubuntu to do mainly the distro work
  546. [17:14:10] <av500> jayabharath: maybe, do what you like but stop telling people "look at ubuntu"
  547. [17:14:17] <rsalveti> it's not a problem to have a kernel now that only works at ubuntu
  548. [17:14:21] <rsalveti> while they do the work upstream
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  550. [17:14:24] <rsalveti> at the same time
  551. [17:14:25] <jayabharath> indeed.. omapzoom 'kernel'
  552. [17:14:28] <av500> rsalveti: it is
  553. [17:14:36] <rsalveti> our kernel doesn't have the same quality as it should have with upstream
  554. [17:14:53] <mru> so it's a bad reference
  555. [17:14:54] <rsalveti> why? we're ok to ship a different kernel tree that would work better for panda than upstream
  556. [17:15:14] <jayabharath> av500: what other option do you recommend I tell people for a full stack on OMAP4... ?
  557. [17:15:22] <ogra_ac> mru, "about everything works" is a bad reference ?
  558. [17:15:23] <jayabharath> not just kernel
  559. [17:15:26] <rsalveti> and as a reference, ti is working mainly with the 35 kernel, we're just using that tree as reference at ubuntu
  560. [17:15:30] <rsalveti> ubuntu is not doing kernel work here
  561. [17:15:35] <mru> jayabharath: we're only asking for a kernel
  562. [17:15:37] <sakoman> the main issue is that the kernel upstreaming is happening at a snails pace
  563. [17:15:48] <rsalveti> sakoman: sure
  564. [17:15:53] <jayabharath> that's a bit narrow view to only look at kernel!
  565. [17:15:54] <av500> jayabharath: we only care for kernel mainly
  566. [17:15:59] <rsalveti> it's easier to have your own tree, that's why we're stuck with the 35
  567. [17:16:02] <sakoman> and it isn't clear whose responsibiity it is
  568. [17:16:04] <mru> userspace is trivial
  569. [17:16:06] <jayabharath> ofcourse we all do care about mainling
  570. [17:16:07] <av500> user land is stock armv7
  571. [17:16:14] <rsalveti> and at the same time they are pushing things at l-o, but takes time
  572. [17:17:04] <rsalveti> av500: we generally ask if people is using ubuntu because we know our tree work at some way
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  574. [17:17:16] <rsalveti> it's tested and etc, so easier to understand the problems
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  576. [17:17:32] <sakoman> rsalveti: understood. perhaps we all just aren't clear whose responsibility it is to get those thousands of patches squashed and submitted upstream
  577. [17:17:40] <rsalveti> it's ti
  578. [17:17:44] <rsalveti> ubuntu has nothing to do with it
  579. [17:17:50] <sakoman> but *who* at TI?
  580. [17:17:51] <av500> rsalveti: fine with me, I still want ti to refer people to a ti hosted kernel where all the integration is going on
  581. [17:17:55] <ogra_ac> TI in cooperation with linaro
  582. [17:17:56] <rsalveti> ti is working alone and with linaro to make that work
  583. [17:18:01] <sakoman> mru needs someone to yell at and fire!
  584. [17:18:03] <jayabharath> there is no question that the job to upstream omap support likes solely with ti
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  588. [17:18:16] <rsalveti> av500: linux omap is the tree you want
  589. [17:18:27] <ogra_ac> sakoman, well, he refuses to /join #linaro for that ;)
  590. [17:18:32] <ogra_ac> i tried that before
  591. [17:18:37] <av500> rsalveti: right, so I hope I will see it refered to more often then :)
  592. [17:18:52] <mru> and patches being made against it
  593. [17:18:58] <av500> yep
  594. [17:19:06] <sakoman> av500: unfortunately l-o just doesn't work on OMAP4 now
  595. [17:19:07] <mru> like in the good old omap3 days
  596. [17:19:11] <av500> sakoman: lol
  597. [17:19:11] <rsalveti> I'm also not happy with the current state, and we're all wondering if TI is actually moving the patches upstream
  598. [17:19:25] * av500 glares at TI
  599. [17:19:50] * ogra_ac is happy with the current state since he cares about working binaries :P
  600. [17:19:51] <jayabharath> I whole heartely agree with you folks.. our upstreaming machine is still very crappy!
  601. [17:20:01] * sakoman senses a bit of frustration with the state of the OMAP4 kernel efforts :-)
  602. [17:20:12] <mru> ogra_ac: you're ubuntu, of course you're happy that ti are doing your job
  603. [17:20:38] <rsalveti> mru: ti is not doing our job
  604. [17:20:39] <mru> jayabharath: I'm frustrated because with omap3 it was actually working quite well
  605. [17:20:43] <mru> omap4 is a disaster
  606. [17:20:44] <rsalveti> because this is not our main job
  607. [17:20:47] <ogra_ac> mru, if TI would be able to do my job, why do you think i do it for them ?
  608. [17:20:58] <jayabharath> mru: when did OMAP3 come out?
  609. [17:21:06] <ogra_ac> just because they need to burn money ?
  610. [17:21:13] <jayabharath> 1st partches I believ were submitted 3+ yrs back
  611. [17:21:13] <mru> jayabharath: 2008
  612. [17:21:22] <jayabharath> pre-silicon dev
  613. [17:22:15] <av500> jayabharath: actually, for android TI *will* have to give me a working kernel :)
  614. [17:22:28] <av500> you cant refer to ubuntu there :)
  615. [17:22:36] <rsalveti> it'll be similar to what happened with ubuntu
  616. [17:22:43] <ogra_ac> right
  617. [17:22:48] <jayabharath> So you cant really compare a old & mature product with the currently under development work
  618. [17:22:51] <ogra_ac> the kernels even wont differ much
  619. [17:22:52] <rsalveti> they will give you a 35 tree, with tons of patches that are not upstream
  620. [17:23:05] <mru> jayabharath: I'm talking about how the omap3 kernel was developed in 2008
  621. [17:23:07] <jayabharath> av500: what's the issue with Android kernel...? You should have .35 based kernel
  622. [17:23:10] <mru> when I first got involved
  623. [17:23:13] <av500> bbl
  624. [17:23:18] <mru> before beagle went on sale
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  626. [17:23:44] <mru> nobody so much as whispered ubuntu then
  627. [17:23:51] <jayabharath> beagle & omap35xx came a lot later in the game after OMAP3 development efforts.. they had a advantage that a lot of prior work was done
  628. [17:23:51] <mru> everything went to linux-omap
  629. [17:24:09] <rsalveti> mru: not at the first moment
  630. [17:24:13] <jayabharath> yeah ... to be very frank.. thats because Nokia was helping us.. we still sucked at upstreaming then
  631. [17:24:14] <jayabharath> :D
  632. [17:24:15] <rsalveti> they had their own tree and tarball
  633. [17:24:31] <rsalveti> that people used to work with, before actually having a working linux omap based tree
  634. [17:24:46] <rsalveti> so it's kind of the same situation here
  635. [17:24:50] <mru> it was nevertheless a generic kernel
  636. [17:24:55] <mru> not a distro-specific one
  637. [17:25:04] <rsalveti> well, we also have this now
  638. [17:25:04] <mru> with 10k unrelated patches
  639. [17:25:05] <ogra_ac> mru, do you want us to say ubuntu more in #beagle ?
  640. [17:25:09] <ogra_ac> we can surely do that
  641. [17:25:10] <rsalveti> it's the one we use as base at ubuntu
  642. [17:25:12] <mru> ogra_ac: fuck off
  643. [17:25:47] <rsalveti> mru: http://dev.omapzoom.org/?p=integration/kernel-omap4.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/L24.11
  644. [17:25:49] <jayabharath> mru: relax bud & be gentle..
  645. [17:25:59] <mru> jayabharath: not with ubuntu trolls
  646. [17:26:00] <rsalveti> this tree is mainly the one used as reference by ubuntu
  647. [17:26:23] <mru> rsalveti: yes, and that tree works reasonably well
  648. [17:26:25] <rsalveti> we did some work to make it more stable at ubuntu, and the patches are also sent to the integration tree maintained by TI
  649. [17:26:45] <jayabharath> mru: http://omappedia.org/wiki/Kernel_and_bootloader_Source_Trees
  650. [17:26:57] <mru> jayabharath: why isn't that linked from pandaboard.org?
  651. [17:27:12] <rsalveti> mru: for me we're in a quite similar situation as omap 3
  652. [17:27:14] <rsalveti> what's bad, we'll know
  653. [17:27:18] <jayabharath> it's linked from http://omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard
  654. [17:27:24] <mru> that's not pandaboard.org
  655. [17:27:37] <mru> and it doesn't link there either
  656. [17:28:14] <mru> pandaboard.org only mentions ubuntu and android
  657. [17:28:25] <mru> and I find that offensive
  658. [17:28:35] <rsalveti> but it's not ubuntu's fault
  659. [17:28:43] <rsalveti> we're not maintaining that website
  660. [17:28:44] <mru> of course it is ubuntu's fault
  661. [17:28:54] <jayabharath> mru: dont take offense.. real developers dont use websites that why we have the wiki :D
  662. [17:28:56] <rsalveti> why? doesn't make sense
  663. [17:29:08] <jayabharath> anyway let me fix the website and link to this
  664. [17:29:11] <mru> jayabharath: but how am I supposed to find the real websites?
  665. [17:29:16] <jayabharath> google.com
  666. [17:29:17] <rsalveti> it seems that website was created more for first time users than real developers
  667. [17:29:25] <jayabharath> rsalveti: indeed
  668. [17:29:28] <ogra_ac> as ubuntu images
  669. [17:29:34] <mru> going to the url _printed on the board_ seems rather obvious to me...
  670. [17:29:46] <jayabharath> yep.. thats for first time folks
  671. [17:29:46] <rsalveti> mru: not everyone wants to do kernel work
  672. [17:29:57] <mru> what non-developers do you expect to be buying pandas?
  673. [17:30:01] <rsalveti> that's why we have omappedia
  674. [17:30:08] <mru> rsalveti: everybody wants a working kerneol
  675. [17:30:14] <mru> -o
  676. [17:30:29] <rsalveti> I know, but it's normal for people to not really care if they can use a working distro kernel
  677. [17:30:39] <rsalveti> if they just want to do userspace work
  678. [17:30:57] <mru> ramming ubuntu down their throats is still rather rude
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  680. [17:31:13] <rsalveti> because it's a working solution for normal users
  681. [17:31:14] <ogra_ac> ramming ?
  682. [17:31:24] <rsalveti> soon we'll have more supported distros
  683. [17:31:24] <ogra_ac> you really overrecat
  684. [17:31:28] <rsalveti> and it'll be the same way
  685. [17:31:30] <ogra_ac> *react
  686. [17:31:38] <rsalveti> you're not going to like it either
  687. [17:31:47] <ogra_ac> he wont like any of them
  688. [17:31:51] <ogra_ac> unless its LFS
  689. [17:31:56] <mru> I want a kernel, not a distro
  690. [17:32:18] <ogra_ac> and as you have been serveral times pointed out, there is a kernel tree
  691. [17:32:31] <mru> I've asked TI for the IVAHD codecs and all they do is tell me to use the ubuntu image
  692. [17:32:32] <rsalveti> mru: you're a specific case, that's why you can get to the ml or irc and ask the for the correct kernel sources and etc
  693. [17:32:46] <jayabharath> mru: Chromes OS & MeeGo are in work and will be added (in the near future) to the getting started guides.. just because to had a hate relationship toward ubuntu seems to cloud your judgement
  694. [17:32:58] <rsalveti> mru: mostly because it's the only working solution atm
  695. [17:33:11] <mru> jayabharath: it doesn't matter which distros you provide images for
  696. [17:33:13] <ogra_ac> and its not hard to pull the sources
  697. [17:33:15] <mru> they're all just as wrong
  698. [17:33:17] <rsalveti> and it's easier to just grab it from there than from a TI website
  699. [17:33:23] <mru> when what you should be providing is a bare kernel
  700. [17:33:34] <mru> by all means provide distro images _also_
  701. [17:33:41] <mru> for those who want them
  702. [17:33:47] <mru> but that really is the job of each distro
  703. [17:34:03] <jayabharath> mru: it doesent work like that.. what about toolchain, lib version dependencies.. it's not as easy and you think... especially when we mix source + binaries
  704. [17:34:10] <robclark> mru / jayabharath: we do need some of the firmware available to download in unpackaged form, to make it easier for OE / gentoo / etc.. although I guess part of the issue is we probably don't have an infrastructure for that
  705. [17:34:11] <mru> oh yes it is
  706. [17:34:13] <rsalveti> mru: I agree with you, but people want to make it more user friendly than hacker friendly :-)
  707. [17:34:25] <rsalveti> because panda is getting popular
  708. [17:34:30] <mru> jayabharath: the kernel does not care what toolchain is used for userspace
  709. [17:35:11] <jayabharath> mru: where does the GST, OMX code run in.. user space? ;0
  710. [17:35:14] <mru> panda is a development board for crying out loud
  711. [17:35:24] <mru> jayabharath: your point being?
  712. [17:35:46] <_av500_> tc and libs do not matter foe e.g. ivahd
  713. [17:35:48] <jayabharath> if you just need a source tar ball.. go to git.omapzoom.org
  714. [17:35:51] <mru> why is it so hard to publish the raw libraries without .deb or .rpm wrappers?
  715. [17:36:10] <_av500_> in src :)
  716. [17:36:16] <ogra_ac> why is it so hard for you as a developer to build them ?
  717. [17:36:22] <mru> build from what?
  718. [17:36:39] <mru> so far nobody has been able to tell me where to get them
  719. [17:36:40] <ogra_ac> the trees you have been pointed to several times within the last hour
  720. [17:36:47] <mru> without getting a full ubuntu image and picking it apart
  721. [17:37:28] <ogra_ac> ??
  722. [17:37:34] <_av500_> where are ivahd src located?
  723. [17:37:35] <mru> and if there's a problem, people just go "not using ubuntu? fuck off then"
  724. [17:37:46] * ogra_ac wont point out the omappedia or git.ompazoom urls again
  725. [17:38:00] <mru> those don't have ivahd source
  726. [17:38:18] <jayabharath> no one will ever have IVHD sources .. not even ubuntu guys
  727. [17:38:23] <_av500_> and m3 blobs
  728. [17:38:24] <jayabharath> so whats you point mru
  729. [17:38:35] <mru> jayabharath: so put some binaries up then
  730. [17:38:44] <ogra_ac> why ?
  731. [17:38:48] <mru> because I say so
  732. [17:38:49] <ogra_ac> you say its for devs
  733. [17:38:57] <ogra_ac> a dev should be able to build them
  734. [17:39:04] <mru> because without them I am unable to do the job TI wants me to do
  735. [17:39:06] <jayabharath> or unpack them ;0
  736. [17:39:11] <ogra_ac> if she doesnt like to, she can use ubuntu ;)
  737. [17:39:12] <mru> jayabharath: wrong answer
  738. [17:39:28] <_av500_> user space src 
  739. [17:39:33] <mru> jayabharath: besides, I should have enough NDAs to get the source
  740. [17:39:41] <rsalveti> mru: it's probably lack of proper infrastructure
  741. [17:39:42] <jayabharath> NDA does not get your source
  742. [17:39:48] <rsalveti> it's weird because we already have omappedia
  743. [17:39:54] <mru> jayabharath: then what does it get me?
  744. [17:39:55] <jayabharath> you need Software license agreement (SLA) in place
  745. [17:39:55] <jannau> ogra_ac: so a dev is requirred to break into TI and get the IVAHD sources to be called a dev?
  746. [17:39:57] <_av500_> hate typing in tram
  747. [17:40:00] <mru> jayabharath: I have SLA
  748. [17:40:02] <ogra_ac> jayabharath, well, its that special mru NDA ;)
  749. [17:40:06] <jayabharath> just docs and stuff listed on NDA
  750. [17:40:44] <mru> jayabharath: you should be able to look it up somewhere...
  751. [17:40:55] <ogra_ac> jannau, that seems to be mru's definition
  752. [17:41:11] <mru> a developer should be able to develop, no?
  753. [17:41:16] <mru> currently I am not
  754. [17:41:20] <jayabharath> mru: I have already looked at what you signed (with ASP guys)- dosent cover it .. let me touch base with you directly on that
  755. [17:41:42] <mru> I signed something that said SLA at the top
  756. [17:42:01] <jayabharath> mru: I see. was not aware of that will check into it
  757. [17:42:14] <jayabharath> _av500_: user space sources are all at git.omapzoom.org.. what's the confusion?
  758. [17:42:22] <_av500_> ok
  759. [17:42:33] <_av500_> might be confusion
  760. [17:43:24] <jayabharath> The 'only' sticky point is that finding the associated IVAHD binaries in tarball (i.e., non-rpm, .deb) package... this is possible to do
  761. [17:43:51] <jayabharath> The only thing is we have to put some clickwrap wrapper onto the tarballs... some legal mumbo jumbo
  762. [17:44:09] <jayabharath> BTW how does this work for beagleboard?
  763. [17:44:25] <jayabharath> Do you have all the codecs somewhere?
  764. [17:44:34] <_av500_> yes
  765. [17:44:38] <jayabharath> where?
  766. [17:44:41] <_av500_> wget from ti
  767. [17:44:48] <jayabharath> I mean public
  768. [17:44:55] <_av500_> or in images
  769. [17:45:11] <_av500_> no click needed
  770. [17:45:19] <jayabharath> do you have a URL?
  771. [17:45:27] <_av500_> no
  772. [17:45:35] <_av500_> its in oe iirc
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  774. [17:45:57] <ogra_ac> which is ... a distro ... ??
  775. [17:46:05] <_av500_> but click is fine for me
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  777. [17:46:35] * sakoman is watching a DVD on Panda using a GNOME image he built
  778. [17:46:41] <_av500_> ogra_ac: point being?
  779. [17:46:42] <sakoman> sadly no audio
  780. [17:47:01] <ogra_ac> _av500_, mru telling us it cant be a distro
  781. [17:47:11] <jayabharath> he he :)
  782. [17:47:46] <jayabharath> _av500_: do you mean it's built into angstrom filesystem
  783. [17:47:50] <_av500_> ogra_ac: as said i can get them from ti
  784. [17:48:00] <_av500_> bbl
  785. [17:48:07] <_av500_> tram stop
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  787. [17:48:36] <jayabharath> you can also get OMAP4 stuff from TI.. the point being what is available publically.. and how can we help the situation for all of us on PandaBoard... will help if we get to the root of this
  788. [17:52:35] <mru> so you can publish a .deb w/o clickwrap but not .tar?
  789. [17:52:37] <mru> wtf????
  790. [17:52:57] <mru> .deb has a .tar inside
  791. [17:53:06] <jayabharath> I find that there is some in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus/ -- how is this different from what we do wit ubuntu.. just that's it oe
  792. [17:53:19] <mru> no, that's narcissus
  793. [17:53:30] <jayabharath> mru: yes that's the case.. so what is preventing you from getting the .deb file.. and using it!
  794. [17:53:32] <mru> if the oe builder can download the files, so can anyone
  795. [17:53:42] <mru> jayabharath: I don't want to
  796. [17:53:45] <mru> and shouldn't have to
  797. [17:53:53] <jayabharath> mru: wrong answer
  798. [17:53:57] <mru> it's a matter of principle
  799. [17:54:06] <jayabharath> that your call indeed
  800. [17:54:07] <sakoman> jayabharath: with OE there is a public recipe that contains the URL for the source/binary blobs
  801. [17:54:32] <jayabharath> sakoman: yes... so you want a URL to the .deb pacakge?
  802. [17:54:56] <mru> no
  803. [17:54:59] <mru> a url to the .tar.gz
  804. [17:55:11] <sakoman> jayabharath: no I would just like a web page on panda.org that lists the url's for all the interesting bits
  805. [17:55:28] <jayabharath> sakoman: got it
  806. [17:55:53] <sakoman> I don't want to have to go to a distro that I don't intend to use and figure out what package has the interesting bits and then have to pick it aprt to find out where they got them
  807. [17:55:55] <jayabharath> mru: I dont want to go into a format discusssin.. it you need .tar.gz.. that shoudl be easy to host..
  808. [17:56:03] <jayabharath> sakoman: got it
  809. [17:56:07] <jayabharath> let fix that..
  810. [17:56:17] <jayabharath> the only problem will be .. updating them regularly
  811. [17:56:20] <mru> that's all I ever asked for
  812. [17:56:37] <jayabharath> however, there are some gotchas
  813. [17:56:47] <ssvb> jayabharath: are these binaries redistributable? and clearly allow repackaging (or at least not forbid it)?
  814. [17:57:13] <jayabharath> We may not update them as often as the ubuntu stuff... as out internal cycles are month ubuntu stuff will be upated monthly.. but may be not the .tar.gz stuff
  815. [17:57:22] <sakoman> ssvb: for beagle they eventually got to that place
  816. [17:57:25] <jayabharath> Unless someone what to signup to help
  817. [17:58:16] <jayabharath> ssvb: I dont know about redistributablitiy clauses for SGX & IVAHD stuff... WLAN/BT is redistributable
  818. [17:58:19] <sakoman> jayabharath: I think the issue is that ubuntu gets special access to information -- those of use who are developing independently of Ubuntu suffer from a severe lack of information
  819. [17:58:53] <jayabharath> sakoman: indeed.. that a problem with any option we choose.. we had same problem with OE/Poky in the past
  820. [17:58:59] <sakoman> and it is annoying when we are told to go look at how ubuntu does it
  821. [17:59:42] <jayabharath> I can understand.
  822. [17:59:43] <sakoman> better to have a core source of the information that we can all go to
  823. [18:00:33] <jayabharath> Ok.. I need you guys to test the pacakges once we have some ready.. sakoman, mru, _av500_ -- need your help on this..
  824. [18:00:49] <sakoman> jayabharath: certainly!
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  826. [18:04:12] <mru> jayabharath: why can't you publish primarily tar.gz and let ubuntu people do their packaging?
  827. [18:04:42] <jayabharath> I would love to
  828. [18:04:51] <mru> so what's stopping you?
  829. [18:05:01] <jayabharath> it's a matter of internal nightmares.. and stupid processes
  830. [18:05:05] <mru> the secret pact with ubuntu of course...
  831. [18:05:09] <ogra_ac> ubuntu doesnt do the packaging
  832. [18:05:11] <ogra_ac> TI does
  833. [18:05:17] <mru> so I noticed
  834. [18:05:19] <jayabharath> ogra_ac: yep
  835. [18:05:23] <mru> but that's not how it should be
  836. [18:05:53] <ogra_ac> mru, Ti wanting to work inside the ubuntu archive, thats exactly how it should be
  837. [18:06:04] <ogra_ac> i agree that tarballs should be made available
  838. [18:06:38] <mru> that is _not_ how it should be
  839. [18:06:41] <ogra_ac> but for that exact case its the right approach TI took given that their target is to be ubuntu developers and do it in the archive
  840. [18:06:47] <mru> that's disgusting favouritism
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  842. [18:07:10] <ogra_ac> thats their choice
  843. [18:07:21] <ogra_ac> and they are free to chose, arent they ?
  844. [18:07:29] * ian_brasil (~ian_brasi@189.2.128.130) Quit (Quit: ian_brasil)
  845. [18:07:31] <mru> and I'm saying it's the wrong choice
  846. [18:07:37] <ogra_ac> its a valid concern that the tarballs arent available
  847. [18:07:51] <ogra_ac> you want to dictate TI what they chose ?
  848. [18:08:01] <jayabharath> mru: It was not my choice.. some dumb heads make such decisions
  849. [18:08:13] <mru> jayabharath: I'm not holding you personally responsible
  850. [18:08:15] <jayabharath> let's fix the tarball problem so we have a decent solution
  851. [18:08:16] * ogra_ac doeswnt hink they are dumb heads
  852. [18:08:29] <ogra_ac> right, fix the tarball issue
  853. [18:08:37] <mru> jayabharath: but you're in vaguely the right direction
  854. [18:08:50] <mru> I have nobody better to complain to
  855. [18:09:06] * jayabharath feels important... just kidding :)
  856. [18:09:15] <ogra_ac> if a vendor decides to work on distro support its the best they can do to become devs for that distro
  857. [18:09:18] <mru> ogra_ac: how would you like it if they published only fedora rpms?
  858. [18:09:25] <mru> and refused to talk to you
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  860. [18:09:41] <ogra_ac> mru, i would have to live with it
  861. [18:09:56] <mru> I bet you'd be complaining
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  863. [18:10:10] <mru> probably ranting something about freedom too
  864. [18:10:23] <pandi> whois mru
  865. [18:10:28] <ogra_ac> mru, but thats not the point, as i said, not having tarballs isnt right (though you will find that all ubuntu packages have public upstream tarballs)
  866. [18:10:44] <mru> except the TI ones
  867. [18:12:28] <ogra_ac> https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/release/+packages
  868. [18:12:38] <ogra_ac> every package there has a tarball
  869. [18:12:50] <mru> then I conclude that the ivahd codecs aren't there
  870. [18:12:54] <rsalveti> that happened for a very simple reason, project deadlines
  871. [18:13:04] <rsalveti> ti people needed to make the image to work with maverick
  872. [18:13:16] <rsalveti> and they first released as a deb to satisfy the project deadline
  873. [18:13:20] <mru> why?
  874. [18:13:26] <rsalveti> and not going over tar ball first
  875. [18:13:33] <ogra_ac> becauser they chose to release with the ubuntu release
  876. [18:13:34] <rsalveti> because it was easier for them
  877. [18:14:00] <rsalveti> going over internal process, releasing tarball and then packaging wasn't enough to fit the deadline
  878. [18:14:02] <ogra_ac> as there was a decision for using angstrom for beagle at some point
  879. [18:14:19] <ogra_ac> and i guess you dont complain that koen has a job
  880. [18:14:21] <rsalveti> that's why now we'll probably start seeing the tarballs around
  881. [18:14:26] <ogra_ac> right
  882. [18:14:37] <mru> koen does a good job
  883. [18:14:48] <mru> he made a lot of things work much better
  884. [18:15:02] <ogra_ac> we do as well, its really a matter of perspective
  885. [18:15:13] <ogra_ac> koen made life better for you
  886. [18:15:15] <mru> he made sure there were proper tarballs with proper makefiles
  887. [18:15:21] <ogra_ac> i make life better for mys mom
  888. [18:15:22] <mru> ubuntu can use those too
  889. [18:15:23] <ogra_ac> *my
  890. [18:15:26] <jayabharath> mru: FYI - koen is kind enough to be helping us enable Angstrom on PandaBoard
  891. [18:15:43] <rsalveti> but he wasn't facing a project deadline
  892. [18:15:45] <ogra_ac> mru, ubuntu wouldnt mind
  893. [18:15:52] <ogra_ac> but there are none yet
  894. [18:15:54] <mru> note there's a huge difference here
  895. [18:16:02] <ogra_ac> is there ?
  896. [18:16:03] <mru> what koen does for OE can be directly used by other distros too
  897. [18:16:12] <mru> but it doesn't go the other way
  898. [18:16:17] <rsalveti> nops
  899. [18:16:20] <mru> an ubuntu package is useless to everybody else
  900. [18:16:25] <ogra_ac> why ?
  901. [18:16:44] <mru> stop trolling
  902. [18:16:44] <ogra_ac> whats so hard about downloading the orig.tar.gz ?
  903. [18:16:50] <mru> that there isn't one
  904. [18:16:59] <ogra_ac> its the plain upstream with its makefiles etc
  905. [18:17:01] <ogra_ac> ??
  906. [18:17:06] <ogra_ac> i just pointed you to them
  907. [18:17:09] <mru> scroll back a little
  908. [18:17:11] <rsalveti> mru: what we, as distro, do is the same thing as koen does for OE
  909. [18:17:19] <mru> not quite
  910. [18:17:25] <rsalveti> the only problem is the lack of proper tarball that TI didn't release
  911. [18:17:28] <rsalveti> why not?
  912. [18:17:34] <rsalveti> both have patches that are distro specific
  913. [18:17:43] <rsalveti> and we get stuff from each other
  914. [18:17:47] <mru> koen can only make OE packages of things that have proper tarballs
  915. [18:17:57] * ogra_ac sees an orig.tar.gz for *every* package in https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/release/+packages
  916. [18:18:06] <rsalveti> mru: sure, but did you see ubuntu doing that?
  917. [18:18:09] <mru> launchpad.net is _NOT_ upstream
  918. [18:18:16] <rsalveti> it's not ubuntu, it's TI that did the work
  919. [18:18:25] * jprvita is now known as jprvita|afk
  920. [18:18:29] <mru> yes, exclusively for ubuntu
  921. [18:18:31] <rsalveti> we're not responsible for that ppa
  922. [18:18:38] <rsalveti> because they decided and had a project with it!
  923. [18:18:39] <ogra_ac> mru, launchpad.net is upstream for toms of projects
  924. [18:18:42] <rsalveti> with deadlines and such
  925. [18:18:43] <ogra_ac> *tons
  926. [18:18:47] <ogra_ac> its just a tool
  927. [18:19:26] <ogra_ac> and one specific team inside TI decided to use this tool
  928. [18:19:28] <rsalveti> mru: I also agree that this is not the best way to do the work
  929. [18:19:30] <jayabharath> mru: launchpad is just another hosting tool.. (it tends to be confused / associated with Ubuntu .. but that's not entirely true)
  930. [18:19:37] <rsalveti> yup
  931. [18:19:38] <mru> right now I'm feeling a rather strong desire to inflict physical harm on someone responsible for ubuntu
  932. [18:19:53] <ogra_ac> there are about 500 (last time i looked) upstream projects using LP
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  934. [18:20:12] * th1a uses Launchpad for his project...
  935. [18:20:21] <ogra_ac> its just like sourceforge, freshmeat or any other hosting service
  936. [18:20:22] <mru> there's a pretty strong connexion between ubuntu and launcpad
  937. [18:20:22] <rsalveti> mru: I understand you, but please don't put as ubuntu's fault
  938. [18:20:39] <mru> who else could I possibly blame?
  939. [18:20:43] <rsalveti> sure, because ubuntu use it as the main hosting project for the distro
  940. [18:20:47] <rsalveti> mru: TI?
  941. [18:21:05] <mru> it was ubuntu that somehow tricked TI into equating them with linux
  942. [18:21:33] <rsalveti> sure, but is that a problem?
  943. [18:21:36] <mru> yes
  944. [18:21:40] <mru> beacuse it's not true
  945. [18:21:42] <rsalveti> the problem is that ti didn't work the correct way with it
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  948. [18:22:03] <mru> and ubuntu is quite happy for them to work that way
  949. [18:22:10] <mru> since it strengthens their position
  950. [18:22:11] * jprvita|afk is now known as jprvita
  951. [18:22:42] <rsalveti> mru: we're happy because we have more people helping with the project, but I also share your frustration
  952. [18:22:48] <mru> this is really no different than hardware with only windows drivers
  953. [18:23:08] <ogra_ac> ubuntu explicitly doesnt want to be associated with linux
  954. [18:23:10] <rsalveti> I don't see in that way
  955. [18:23:21] <mru> ogra_ac: no, ubuntu wants to _replace_ linux
  956. [18:23:30] <ogra_ac> LOL
  957. [18:23:42] * opm (~mike@col06-1-78-231-81-223.fbx.proxad.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
  958. [18:23:50] <mru> or should I say replace Linus
  959. [18:23:52] <ogra_ac> and the twin towers were blown up by george bush ?
  960. [18:23:53] <robclark> just keep in mind, ubuntu was used partly so product test and various devel teams have a way to test that various TI stuff is working properly.. it is just a reference. But we don't have bandwidth to internally do things on 5x different distributions.. that said, I agree that the firmware should be made more readily available in a distro neutral manner..
  961. [18:24:05] <robclark> whatever distro you pick, I'm sure someone will be unhappy
  962. [18:24:06] <mru> ogra_ac: no, by mark shuttleworth
  963. [18:24:12] <ogra_ac> heh
  964. [18:24:29] <ogra_ac> ubuntu is just a product
  965. [18:24:34] <rsalveti> just a distro
  966. [18:24:40] <ogra_ac> we might at some point decide to go for BSD
  967. [18:24:42] <robclark> and current state is much better than when everything was only tested on busybox (and a great # of issues were never seen by developers)
  968. [18:24:43] <mru> robclark: I'm not asking you to support 5 different distros
  969. [18:24:49] * robclark likes bsd
  970. [18:24:52] <rsalveti> launchpad != ubuntu != canonical
  971. [18:24:54] <mru> I'm asking you support _one_ distro-agnostic package
  972. [18:25:01] <ogra_ac> ir for HURD next year when it is released
  973. [18:25:13] <robclark> I agree with that.. we shouldn't make it *harder* for other distros
  974. [18:25:20] <mru> but you are
  975. [18:25:24] <rsalveti> sure, that's a common issue we all noticed
  976. [18:25:29] <mru> and you're denying it
  977. [18:25:30] <rsalveti> that will probably be fixed soon
  978. [18:25:31] <ogra_ac> mru, and i pointed you to a place where you can get the upstream tarballs until jayabharath has solved the issue
  979. [18:25:35] <ogra_ac> so whats your point
  980. [18:25:37] <robclark> (but IANAL and don't know all the legal issues w/ clickwrap and blah blah blah)
  981. [18:25:40] <mru> and ubuntu are cheering you along
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  983. [18:26:14] <robclark> I am denying it?
  984. [18:26:26] <ogra_ac> mru, do you ever get any code written btw ? with all the whining all day long
  985. [18:26:33] <mru> robclark: not in this very moment
  986. [18:26:41] <ogra_ac> several people have shown you solutions
  987. [18:26:42] <mru> ogra_ac: you'd be surprised
  988. [18:26:58] <ogra_ac> and one authority told you it will be fixed soon
  989. [18:26:58] <mru> several people have told me to use ubuntu
  990. [18:27:13] <ogra_ac> yeah, give it a try, its cool ;)
  991. [18:27:16] <robclark> use whatever you want
  992. [18:27:20] <mru> and this has been going on for well over a month
  993. [18:27:31] <ogra_ac> because we know it works
  994. [18:27:39] <mru> and I know you're wrong
  995. [18:27:53] <rsalveti> it's just because it's the working one at the moment
  996. [18:27:57] <ogra_ac> did you file bugs for the issues that dont work ?
  997. [18:27:57] <rsalveti> and used as a reference
  998. [18:28:02] <rsalveti> because ti helped with it
  999. [18:28:05] <ogra_ac> bugnumbers please
  1000. [18:28:09] * jayabharath admires the infinite energy of mru to keep on going after we have agreed on a path forward
  1001. [18:28:21] <mru> jayabharath: ogra_ac is still alive
  1002. [18:28:35] <mru> and I'm still angry
  1003. [18:28:39] <ogra_ac> jayabharath, i always exepect he is doing that for my sole entertainment ;)
  1004. [18:29:05] <jayabharath> he he.. ogra_ac is certainly with full energy.. I am sure you are both entertaining each other
  1005. [18:29:15] <rsalveti> mru: so what would make you happy? kill ogra_ac and destroy all the distros around?
  1006. [18:29:17] <rsalveti> hehe
  1007. [18:29:20] <mru> I'm hoping that maybe, one day, someone will listen and understand
  1008. [18:29:35] <pupnik> can anyone give me a quick answer why it took so long for omap3 powered phones to appear?
  1009. [18:29:47] <mru> did it?
  1010. [18:29:56] <rsalveti> pupnik: we have tons of omap3 phones all around
  1011. [18:30:25] <pupnik> so the lag of about 2~ years between reading about a SoC and seeing it in a phone is normal?
  1012. [18:30:33] <robclark> no
  1013. [18:31:01] <mru> first announcement to consumer product does take about that long
  1014. [18:31:32] <rsalveti> we
  1015. [18:31:33] <pupnik> http://mobile.engadget.com/2006/02/14/tis-omap-3-3430-processor-announced-does-high-def/
  1016. [18:31:42] <rsalveti> we'll probably see omap 4 phones in one year or so
  1017. [18:31:44] <rsalveti> or even more
  1018. [18:31:52] <pupnik> 2006/02/14
  1019. [18:32:03] <rsalveti> people don't want to push the best available chip right away
  1020. [18:32:16] <pupnik> you're right, 3 years :)
  1021. [18:32:18] <rsalveti> while they can make huge piles of money with different platforms
  1022. [18:32:30] <jayabharath> pupnik: In most smartphone SoC's announcements tend to happen 6 month before sampling ;) + 9 months to RTP + 6 or so month for customers to ramp.. tend to get us to 1.5 yrs to 2 yr range
  1023. [18:32:50] <jayabharath> However, we have seen this trend accelerate.. from 2011 - you can expect 1-1.5 yrs ramp times overall
  1024. [18:32:55] <pupnik> ty jayabharath that helps me
  1025. [18:33:26] <jayabharath> This is similar to what Tegra2 guys are facing.. ;)
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  1028. [18:35:26] * jayabharath is curious what mru distro run's on his PC? .... hope this does not start another flamming session ;)
  1029. [18:35:35] <ogra_ac> LFS
  1030. [18:35:37] <ogra_ac> ;)
  1031. [18:35:38] <mru> gentoo
  1032. [18:35:46] <ogra_ac> build manually from tarballs
  1033. [18:35:52] <ogra_ac> ah, i was close then
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  1035. [18:35:54] <jayabharath> nice... I could never get that to compile for me.. (my bad)
  1036. [18:36:05] <mru> I used to build manually before gentoo came along
  1037. [18:36:37] * ogra_ac always preferred to go out with girls than to watch black screen with white text all night
  1038. [18:36:45] <jayabharath> I wonder how armin76 is cooking up gentoo on pandaboard
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  1040. [18:41:03] <mru> ogra_ac: you can start the build before going out with girls
  1041. [18:41:24] <ogra_ac> then you miss if it fails
  1042. [18:41:28] <ogra_ac> :)
  1043. [18:41:30] <_av500_> pupnik: there was one omap3 based product well before there were phones :)
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  1045. [18:44:37] <pupnik> ogra_ac: with a n900 it's convenient to monitor stuff in ssh
  1046. [18:45:02] <ogra_ac> that really depends on the girl though
  1047. [18:45:43] <armin76> jayabharath: i'm doing fine, setting it up is really fine and now that i know that the omapzoom git tree is what should be used for x-loader/uboot and kernel i know what to write for the documentation :)
  1048. [18:46:04] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: well, I showed gentoo to my wife, and she used it for more than 3 years
  1049. [18:46:07] <armin76> jayabharath: i've been also trying to do some benchmarking on it, but it just sigbuses on big compilations
  1050. [18:46:10] <rsalveti> heheh
  1051. [18:46:39] * rsalveti also used gentoo for quite many years
  1052. [18:46:44] <ogra_ac> rsalveti, but you didnt build it while dating her ;)
  1053. [18:46:56] <ssvb> armin76: what kernel are you using now?
  1054. [18:46:57] <rsalveti> ogra_ac: yep I did hehe
  1055. [18:47:01] <ogra_ac> lol
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  1057. [18:47:20] <armin76> ssvb: oh hi, latest 24.11 tag on omapzoom
  1058. [18:47:35] <armin76> ssvb: you using x-loader/uboot and kernel from omapzoom?
  1059. [18:47:37] <mru> what does 24.11 signify?
  1060. [18:48:06] <armin76> mru: dunno
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  1062. [18:48:31] <dm8tbr> _av500_: ah and I didn't want to start that topic :)
  1063. [18:48:56] <jayabharath> mru: It's a 24.x means linux OMAP4 release stream... .11 is a monthly release tag number
  1064. [18:48:57] <armin76> ssvb: however i start to feel like hardfloat with the tegra, no one builds anything big on the board :(
  1065. [18:49:13] <jayabharath> _av500_: Indeed.. that's right
  1066. [18:49:26] <Ali-Sky> what are some distintions between the beagleboard and the pandaboard and the hawkboard?
  1067. [18:49:41] <ogra_ac> different animals
  1068. [18:49:41] <_av500_> different names
  1069. [18:49:44] <mru> ever been to a zoo?
  1070. [18:49:51] <Ali-Sky> *headdesk*
  1071. [18:50:01] <_av500_> bing it
  1072. [18:50:09] <Ali-Sky> specwise, supportwise, community wise, and applicationwise
  1073. [18:50:32] <_av500_> panda is quite lively :)
  1074. [18:50:37] <ogra_ac> pandaboard has full ubuntu support :)
  1075. [18:50:44] <mru> well, the hawkboard doesn't stand much chance of running ubuntu
  1076. [18:50:45] * ogra_ac puts away the salt now
  1077. [18:50:48] <mru> so that's a good thing
  1078. [18:51:05] <dm8tbr> _av500_: speaking of non-phone omap3 products, either the PMIC sucks or this seeding unit has totally broken power management
  1079. [18:51:07] <mru> and it has a floating-point dsp
  1080. [18:51:12] <_av500_> mru: xm neither ;)
  1081. [18:51:31] <_av500_> dm8tbr: could be
  1082. [18:51:37] <mru> xm is powerful enough that someone might try
  1083. [18:51:42] <mru> against better advice
  1084. [18:51:58] <jayabharath> Ali-Sky: Read http://omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_FAQ on Pandaboard.. cant comment much on Hawk as I dont know how it flies!... you can ask beagle comparision question here..
  1085. [18:52:01] <dm8tbr> _av500_: but gift horse etc :) - let's just hope alex comes by with that server soon
  1086. [18:52:05] * dm8tbr wants his a101
  1087. [18:53:01] <jayabharath> Ali-Sky: go check out the pandaboard website (esp platform page) ... http://pandaboard.org/ and ask us questions
  1088. [18:53:17] <armin76> ssvb: build stuff!
  1089. [18:54:00] <jayabharath> Ali-Sky: In the end they all faithful animals in the community zoo -- so you should get good support on any of them
  1090. [18:54:10] <Ali-Sky> I know the beagleboard-XM has far better specs than the frst beagleboard... only found out aobut the hawkboard today so...
  1091. [18:54:31] <mru> hawkboard is very different
  1092. [18:54:35] <Ali-Sky> I notice #hawkboard here only has a few users.
  1093. [18:54:40] <jayabharath> except for the fact that OMAP3 & OMAP-L138 are catalog (available to all) .. OMAP4 is not available broadly (as of now)
  1094. [18:54:58] <mru> and omap-l138 is really a davinci-class chip
  1095. [18:55:16] <ssvb> armin76: ok, I'll kick rebuilding gcc in a loop, was that the failing testcase for you?
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  1098. [18:57:09] <Ali-Sky> OMAP4 has a cortex-A9 core, right?
  1099. [18:57:16] <ogra_ac> yes
  1100. [18:57:32] <jayabharath> yes in a .. Dual core configuration
  1101. [18:57:35] <armin76> ssvb: its random
  1102. [18:57:54] <ogra_ac> armin76, you dont use the full gig of ram, do you ?
  1103. [18:58:07] <ogra_ac> there is still an open issue with using more than 768M
  1104. [18:58:08] <armin76> uh...i do
  1105. [18:58:16] <armin76> nice
  1106. [18:58:18] <ogra_ac> dont then ;)
  1107. [18:58:24] <armin76> where's that documented?
  1108. [18:59:07] <armin76> ssvb: you using 1gb too?
  1109. [18:59:17] * jayabharath looks
  1110. [18:59:46] <jayabharath> armin76: http://omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Known_Issues#Instabilities_when_using_1GB_RAM_support -- I think we should also link this from PandaBoard FAQs
  1111. [19:00:30] <ogra_ac> ++
  1112. [19:02:10] <armin76> how does that 460+256mb thing work?
  1113. [19:02:43] <armin76> simply using mem=716m on the kernel cmdline?
  1114. [19:03:22] <mru> I haven't noticed any problems with using 1G
  1115. [19:03:32] <ogra_ac> mem=460M@0x80000000 mem=256M@0xA0000000
  1116. [19:03:44] <ogra_ac> mru, what did you compile yet
  1117. [19:03:51] <armin76> ogra_ac: thanks, will test
  1118. [19:03:58] <mru> why is compiling special?
  1119. [19:04:01] <ogra_ac> it only happens after some time and only with rather big compiles
  1120. [19:04:06] <ssvb> armin76: yes, I was using 1gb too
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  1122. [19:04:44] <armin76> jayabharath: please put that cmdline args somewhere?
  1123. [19:05:00] <ogra_ac> armin76, its a wiki ;)
  1124. [19:05:06] <ogra_ac> dont hold back
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  1126. [19:12:33] <ssvb> jayabharath: *ubuntu* known issues?
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  1128. [19:18:34] <ogra_ac> ssvb, there is a corresponding bug from august or september in ubuntu
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  1131. [19:20:06] <_av500_> what is the issue with 1g?
  1132. [19:20:11] <_av500_> pardon my ignorance...
  1133. [19:20:40] <ogra_ac> one was the 2G split, one was an issue with highmem activated
  1134. [19:21:03] <ogra_ac> fixing both still didnt make the board fully stable with 1G enabled
  1135. [19:21:05] <_av500_> himem.sys? :)
  1136. [19:21:20] <mru> no, himem.deb
  1137. [19:21:23] <ogra_ac> yeah, but only on the preinstalled wine images
  1138. [19:21:54] <ogra_ac> i dont remember the bug numbers, feel free to search launchpad
  1139. [19:22:35] <ogra_ac> might have been 633227
  1140. [19:23:29] * _av500_ has a msp430 based launchpad, no results :)
  1141. [19:23:55] <ogra_ac> nah, you need the soyuz version
  1142. [19:23:59] <ogra_ac> upgrade
  1143. [19:25:02] <_av500_> zypper?
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  1145. [19:25:42] <ogra_ac> zippers on rockets ?
  1146. [19:26:07] <_av500_> hmm, no sozuy in my yast
  1147. [19:26:16] <_av500_> soyuz
  1148. [19:27:29] <jayabharath> prpplague: orbarron I thought you documented some boot args that work well for you for 1GB... where are they? I can only find http://omappedia.org/wiki/Minimal-FS_Booting.. which is using only 463M
  1149. [19:29:46] <prpplague> jayabharath: that was for basic minimal testing
  1150. [19:30:12] <prpplague> jayabharath: the boot args are going to depend on what options and features you have in the kernel turned on like ducati and such
  1151. [19:30:56] <_av500_> for 1gb?
  1152. [19:31:12] <_av500_> thats for the hole, no?
  1153. [19:31:17] <_av500_> like on bb
  1154. [19:31:28] <jayabharath> yeah but even for minimal fs... we still pass 463M .. why?
  1155. [19:31:43] <prpplague> _av500_: yea
  1156. [19:31:46] <ogra_ac> mem=460M@0x80000000 mem=256M@0xA0000000 should definitely work fine
  1157. [19:32:03] <_av500_> 460 why?
  1158. [19:32:06] <prpplague> jayabharath: that just leaves the hole for ducati and and such
  1159. [19:32:11] <_av500_> ok
  1160. [19:32:25] <_av500_> and 512+256 is max?
  1161. [19:33:12] <ogra_ac> its safe
  1162. [19:33:20] <ogra_ac> you might be able to go higher
  1163. [19:33:37] <ogra_ac> but with full 1G you might see bus errors compiling stuff
  1164. [19:34:30] <_av500_> and nobody fixes that 1st?
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  1166. [19:35:13] <rsalveti> _av500_: not yet
  1167. [19:35:19] <mru> _av500_: this is ubuntu, they prefer a quick kludge
  1168. [19:35:40] <rsalveti> we're unable to run upstream kernel, and the one provided by ti has the bug
  1169. [19:36:09] <try> i am not able to locate latest ubutntu images for Panda , can any point me out
  1170. [19:36:20] <_av500_> lol
  1171. [19:36:23] <_av500_> sorry
  1172. [19:37:14] <ogra_ac> try, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall has the links
  1173. [19:40:05] <robclark> himem issue is, AFAIK, an issue w/ linux arch/arm code..
  1174. [19:40:41] <_av500_> robclark: and?
  1175. [19:41:01] <ogra_ac> and not fixed yet
  1176. [19:41:02] <robclark> and I don't think it is any better on any other kernel tree that I know of..
  1177. [19:41:08] <robclark> upstream, downstream, whatever
  1178. [19:41:23] <try> ogra_ac: Thanks But I cant see any releases after 7oct
  1179. [19:41:29] <mru> don't cross the streams
  1180. [19:41:30] <try> unable to locate latest releases
  1181. [19:41:33] <jayabharath> how abt in bsd ;)
  1182. [19:42:06] <_av500_> robclark: not many 1GB arm boards around i guess :)
  1183. [19:42:18] <jayabharath> try: just go to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/10.10/release/
  1184. [19:42:49] <robclark> no, I don't think so
  1185. [19:42:56] <ogra_ac> try, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/maverick/release/
  1186. [19:43:05] <ogra_ac> thats where the link on the wiki gets you
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  1188. [19:43:24] <try> ogra_ac: still pointing to 7thoct releases
  1189. [19:43:35] <ogra_ac> not here
  1190. [19:43:52] <ogra_ac> the wiki points exactly to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/
  1191. [19:44:02] <ogra_ac> which has two dirs 10.10 and maverick
  1192. [19:44:09] <ogra_ac> one is a link to the other
  1193. [19:44:46] <ogra_ac> oh, you mean the timestamps on the image files ?
  1194. [19:44:56] <ogra_ac> thats creation time, its fine
  1195. [19:45:00] <try> ogra_ac: yup
  1196. [19:45:14] <ogra_ac> its the release
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  1198. [19:45:18] <try> ogra_ac: would that provide me latest release
  1199. [19:45:22] <ogra_ac> yes
  1200. [19:45:43] <_av500_> ogra_ac: remember to touch the tgz on release date :)
  1201. [19:45:58] <_av500_> and make a photo with newspapre next to it
  1202. [19:46:00] <ogra_ac> the actual images are normally built a few dass in advance and go through 100s of QA processes
  1203. [19:46:06] <ogra_ac> *days
  1204. [19:46:09] <try> ogra_ac: which one should i pickup 10.10 or maverick
  1205. [19:46:18] <ogra_ac> they are the same ;)
  1206. [19:46:31] <ogra_ac> maverick is a link to the 10.10 dir
  1207. [19:46:31] <mru> got the temp sensor reporting at least
  1208. [19:47:22] <mru> reporting 70C currently
  1209. [19:47:27] <mru> under heavy load
  1210. [19:47:49] <armin76> mru: how?
  1211. [19:48:03] <mru> how what?
  1212. [19:48:19] <ogra_ac> he put 2 10kg weights on top
  1213. [19:48:22] <armin76> mru: how did you got it reporting?
  1214. [19:48:23] <robclark> sounds about right without AVS, SR, DVFS, or any other PM related acronyms..
  1215. [19:48:38] <mru> armin76: I found the clock to enable
  1216. [19:48:46] <mru> it was hiding in the wkup domain
  1217. [19:49:13] <mru> CM_WKUP_BANDGAP_CLKCTRL
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  1223. [19:58:00] <_av500_> robclark: how do i install the acronyms?
  1224. [19:59:05] <_av500_> or are they in ubuntu ppa? :)
  1225. [20:00:15] <robclark> _av500_: probably build kernel from dev.omapzoom.org..
  1226. [20:00:25] <robclark> I don't think any of this is in ubuntu
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  1237. [20:25:10] <sakoman> mru: what are you using for user space when doing your testing?
  1238. [20:25:26] <sakoman> (just curious, I know it isn't ubuntu!)
  1239. [20:28:50] <_av500_> gentoo
  1240. [20:33:06] <topfs2> your so mainstream :p
  1241. [20:33:15] <topfs2> sorry, I'm bored :)
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  1244. [20:47:44] <mru> sakoman: as little as possible
  1245. [20:48:16] <sakoman> mru: something you built yourself?
  1246. [20:48:21] <mru> of course
  1247. [20:48:25] <sakoman> :-)
  1248. [20:48:45] <sakoman> I understand -- I'm that way too
  1249. [20:53:34] <jayabharath> Vikas: is there a easy way to search the IRC logs without using google.com directly
  1250. [20:53:54] <mru> why don't you want to use google?
  1251. [20:54:05] <mru> it beats most site-specific search engines
  1252. [20:54:32] <jayabharath> no what I meant was... Is there a custom search that we have integrated to include irc log (can be google)
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  1275. [22:10:10] <michaelwrs> how does one get console output with zoom3 in pm-core branch? I tried omap2plus_defconfig and bootargs of console=ttyO3,115200n8, but there's nothing
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  1280. [22:21:12] <fandeli> michaelwrs: try this set console ttyO2,115200n8
  1281. [22:23:11] <michaelwrs> fandeli: same thing
  1282. [22:23:20] <michaelwrs> ttyO3 works with .35 kernel from omapzoom
  1283. [22:24:31] <fandeli> michaelwrs: should be, I tried with L24.11 branch from omapzoom too
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  1286. [22:26:23] <fandeli> michaelwrs: shows nothing on terminal? bootloaders?
  1287. [22:26:45] <michaelwrs> nothing past uncompressing
  1288. [22:26:52] <michaelwrs> L24.11 is .35
  1289. [22:27:02] <michaelwrs> .35 doesn't have a problem
  1290. [22:27:09] <michaelwrs> pm-core is .37
  1291. [22:28:03] <michaelwrs> Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
  1292. [22:28:04] <michaelwrs> -- this is the last thing I see
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